How Can You Have A Pregnant Man?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/pregnant-man-and-multiracial-handshake-among-new-emojis-being-introduced-this-year-12357013
...Perlease!

[jim360]

That's a deliberate misunderstanding, but there we are, what else is there to say?

[pixie374]

It isn't. Please clarify then?
All it looks like- is that women have had to battle for centuries for everything, education, work, careers, daily sexism, safety, spaces, not being controlled in what to wear, how to present... and men just aren't used to that. It's pure entitlement.
Instead of having the guts to defend their own rights and say "we want more freedom", their answer is to just invade women's instead. Rude.

[Mozz71]

Oh come on Pixie, this isn't guys wanting a bit of the action. This is about people of different genders and sexualities wanting to be accepted. I know women haven't had it easy historically, but neither have those folk. The same kind on men who want to demean and control women, would much rather those folk were wiped off the map.

[jim360]

Guess it comes down to whether or not you think it possible to advocate for trans rights "instead of" women's rights, or "as well as". I subscribe very much to the latter view.

[pixie374]

No, it isn't, mozz. Nobody attempts to be accepted by imitating and invading another group of people.
Sex is not about gender or sexuality- people will be however they are.

[pixie374]

You can't, Jim. Even the High Court are admitting that trans rights and women's rights are "competing".

[jim360]

I can subscribe to whichever view I choose, thanks. I've always advocated for women's rights, and I don't believe that they are mutually exclusive with trans rights. The trick is only to persuade people that this is the case.

Also, the expansion of a definition of a word doesn't destroy the old meaning. It merely adds to it. This is the case with, for example, marriage, which used exclusively to mean a union between a man and woman, and no longer does; or "parent", which is not strictly tied to biology either, given that adoptive parents are parents; and so on.

[jim360]

Perhaps I should say that rights of different groups or individuals will always naturally come into conflict with each other to some extent, so it's a question of balance, and what I really mean is that the two aren't so mutually exclusive as to be utterly irreconcilable.

[Mozz71]

I don't see why they have to be competing though. Perhaps I'm an old hippy, but surely there's enough on this world for both sets of people to have all they need to get by.

[pixie374]

They don't necessarily, and they are.
One thing women have managed to achieve, with effort, are their own sports, safe spaces, clubs, meetings and are allowed legally to exclude men. All for obvious reasons, that haven't changed. Of course it destroys that. It has done and still is.
Even mozz seems to be admitting the problem is "other men". And yet, women aren't allowed to feel the same way.

[pixie374]

Absolutely mozz.... and without taking over each other, too.

[pixie374]

If sp does come back, and unclose... I'd be interested in his views on blackfishing?
Presumably, painting your face black and adopting an accent is perfectly acceptable to show you are genuinely black? Or any other nationality...
So far, the reviews are negative too...

[waterboatman]

In short. You can't. Biological impossibility.

[pixie374]

Good to see you :-). How are you? Xx

[naomi24]

Jim, //I don't believe that they are mutually exclusive with trans rights.//

Because you don’t want them to be. You want trans to be accepted as women - but they’re not - and they never will be. You were right when you said, ‘There is no dispute over the biological fact that only a person with a functioning uterus can get pregnant’. That’ll be women then.

// The trick is only to persuade people that this is the case.//

That’s exactly what this nonsense is - a trick - that no one with any sense will ever fall for.

[Bobbisox1]

Boateeeeee, great seeing you ( waves madly)

[naomi24]

WBM, how very nice to see you!! Hope you're well and intending to stick around.

[pixie374]

13:09... Jim, if a woman is "someone who identifies as one" - that's just circular, and nobody knows what it means anyway.
It's a bit like adding a definition of "including everyone else" to the definition of "white". That would stamp out racism overnight.
Except it isn't real.

[jim360]

If you want to define women by biology *only* then feel free. Just understand that this is a choice of definition, not an absolute rule.

[pixie374]

It is a rule. It's how it is and always has been. Please feel free to answer the blackfishing question too. Just interested in whether imitation is always fine, or only when women are the targets?
And one last question- what reason is there, why men can't feel, identify, wear, behave, however they like- without having to pretend they are women?