Prince Andrew (Enough Said)

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-us-lawsuit-accuses-royal-of-sexually-abusing-virginia-giuffre-12377669

I’ve read the transcript but I’m not sure how anyone could be ‘forced’ to have sex at 17 yrs old unless they had a gun to her head, otherwise this would surely be rape wouldn’t it?
I’m no fan of PA, far from it but again just wondered how she was ‘forced’ to have sex with him and other prominent figures,and I’m not saying she’s to blame either but I would like to know

[naomi24]

//the subtle art of manipulation on damaged personalities makes coercion an unpleasant fact of life - and I believe that is what has gone on here. //

Was her personality damaged? I don't think so. I think she thought she was on to a good thing - which is why she went back for more.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Was her personality damaged? I don't think so. I think she thought she was on to a good thing - which is why she went back for more. //

I have no idea - only she and the people concerned can answer that question.

I think the notion that she was 'on to a good thing' and 'went back for more' is possibly inaccurate, but again, we cannot know.

[naomi24]

AH, //I have no idea - only she and the people concerned can answer that question. //

Why mention it then?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH, //I have no idea - only she and the people concerned can answer that question. //

Why mention it then? //

I was trying, without being confrontational, to suggest that I don't know, in exactly the same way that you don't know.

The difference is, you are using your interpretation of what you have heard to reach a negative moral judgement.

[roadman]

big influence men with lots of money and power could easily make a very young lady feel like she was forced to have sex

[Bobbisox1]

Roadman, so that’s prostitution then?

[roadman]

u wot lol

dont think u understand

if he slipped her £50 or not doesnt matter

[Sqad]

bobbi.......yes.....as I mentioned in my post.

[naomi24]

AH, I have indeed based my opinion upon what I've read, but you're the first I've heard speculate that her mental health might be in question....

[Ken4155]

IMHO, at the time Ms Guiffre must have believed there was something in it for her. Enhancement of lifestyle, perhaps?
Later in life, Ms Guiffre must believe there is something in it for her. Compensation, perhaps?

[Bobbisox1]

Yes you did Sqad, I saw that
Roadman , so if a girl takes money be it £50 or more or less, for sex, what would you say it was?

[Sqad]

Yes,of course bobbi.
Sorry to intersperse roadman.

[roadman]

bobbisox it depends if she was a sex worker or if she was trafficked for the purpose of sex there is a difference i do not think Virginia roberts was a sex worker at the age of 17 but maybe she was i guess it is word for word ironically im less inclined to believe the words of royal andrew he has a bad vibe about him very odd man

im sorry sqad i do not know what intersperse means but dont be sorry all is fine

[Bobbisox1]

I’m not so sure I can separate the two roadman but I do agree with you re the Royal Prince

[dannyk13]

More news that makes this woman look like a fantasist.Why has she waited 11 years to make these allegations? Saying that she feared she would be killed is simply unbelievable.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9879527/Virginia-Roberts-claims-feared-death-physical-injury-disobeyed-orders-Andrew.html?ito=push-notification&ci=nrye-nJjFA&si=34683987&ai=9879527

[roadman]

Danny who knows what these influential powers can do people think Epstein was killed in high security suicide watch prison im pretty sure they could exterminate Virginia if they wanted to

Epstein was a seedy man that is facts any one who ended up on his island who was under the age of 18 i do feel very sorry for them

[Sqad]

roadman......neither do I -;) me just trying to appear intelligent.

There is a difference in my opinion between trafficking and prostitution in that the former implies a degree of physical enforcement which is not necessarily involved in prostitution.

I have seen no evidence to suggest that in this case physical elements had any part to play.

[Peter Pedant]

well boys and gurlz I can see you are all having fun
and Sqad's posts havent gone down the Jarn (yet) as they did yesterday so that is a plus.

// Why mention it then? // AH this time

the stuff we dont know - - is mentioned / alluded to and brings out the fact we will never know all the facts ( that the court will)

and we can seek after the truth but perhaps not find it

I am glad that people have stopped saying - "I disagree with what you say so I will stop you saying it" - - - straight from the Giuffre case - one side only heard. - which then carries the day.

Oh can we STOP saying the randy one must answer the charges - he doesnt - THEY have to prove their allegations
and I note that Giuffre is the subject of allegations of perjury ( same jurisdiction ) - for those who have got down to this point - thank you for reading thus far

[William51]

It is an intriguing story. They say the picture is doctored and it does look suspect, can you see that with his angle standing next to her he should not be able to get his hand on her hips as it shown.

[ichkeria]

What a shame the title has been amended.
I thought Steve Bruce had made a controversial signing there …