Does The West Have An Obligation To Take In Afghan Refugees?

[Untitled]

Coalition was there for 20 years and has left things worse than they found them...

is resettling those who can flee the taliban the least we can do or shall we batten down the hatches and leave them to their fate?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58238490

Link is about the uk obviously but my question is about all parties of the coalition including USA...

[Peter Pedant]

so we dont give them asylum because some men clung to an aircraft and fell to their deaths?

righto! or as Andy says - incomprehensible hoo-ey

(Actively collaborated) with the UK, that's interesting, did they really, or just lead them into well planed attacks???

1975 ditto Vietnam. The Americans watched as Vietcong plants in the south viet ministries popped up and said - - "haha ! we were always North Viet spies !"

but what was the telling difference - it wasnt them clinging to aeroplanes....

[davebro]

//more incomprehensible hoo-ey//

An apt description of most of your posts PP !

[margarettom]

Jackdaw has made the point @ 11.44 that the Taliban are not willing to let people leave ( reported yesterday on the BBC website), so I doubt we’ll be overrun with refugees any time soon.

[gulliver1]

12.24 And we all know why the Taliban are stopping people from leaving.

[Untitled]

I doubt that the taliban can stop all of them... or even the majority of them however much they might want to.

[New Judge]

//If you were in charge NewJudge what would you do with people fleeing the taliban who turned up to plead for asylum in the uk?//

If I was in charge they would not even set foot in this country, let alone lodge a claim for asylum, so the question would not arise.

[Khandro]

sqad //Of course they should take in Afghan refugees as the West had introduced them tothe Western way of life.//

This is simply not true, Afghanistan is fundamentally a Muslim country with a Muslim Worldview (Weltanschauung) The mistake the West has made over & over again since (& before) the Arab Spring is that by contributing a few add-ons: education for women etc. this view will somehow change & they will want to live the sort of life you live, they don't.

[brainiac]

Where are the Afghanistan army, trained and equipped at vast expense by the USA and UK? Seems they've just melted away. And where do the Taliban get their arms and munitions from?

[Gromit]

The deal the Taliban made with the US called for a peaceful transition of power between the Afghan Government and the Taliban - and they seem to be sticking to that. No shots were fired and no purge of collaborators.
The Taliban don’t want to give the Americans an excuse to return, so they are adhering to the letter of the deal.

And the Taliban don’t want thousands of people loyal to the US and Britain to be undermining their rebuilding, so they will be keen for as many as possible to be airlifted out.

Which leaves Johnson and Biden with a problem. Do we look after our people or abandon them ?


// Senior Taliban leader Amir Khan Muttaqi is believed to be in the Afghan capital holding talks with the city’s political leadership aimed at building a government.

Muttaqi, higher education minister when the Taliban last ruled, held talks with Abdullah Abdullah, who once headed the country’s negotiating council, and former president Hamid Karzai.

The official said the talks under way in the Afghan capital were aimed at bringing other non-Taliban leaders into the government that Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen has said will be an “inclusive Afghan government.”
There was little indication about the substance of the talks, but Shaheen earlier told The Associated Press that a government would be announced after negotiations with non-Taliban leaders had been completed. //

[douglas9401]

1 They've gone home to the farmstead and

2 Pakistan

[Bobbisox1]

It would be fair to take those who worked with the forces ( men and women) as interpreters to be allowed to come here, I feel we owe them that or else they’ll surely be in danger of their lives staying there

[Gromit]

Bobbisox1
The Taliban desperately don’t want to give the US a chance to return. So there will be an orderly transition of power.
As soon as they are in power, they will want to restore diplomatic dialogue with the US and British Governments asap.

[Bobbisox1]

Gromit I only wish I had your faith in that

[Gromit]

The reality is that the Taliban are back.
Their first term wasn’t great, Women were oppressed, Sharia law imposed, education was banned, History defiled.
We will have to wait and see what Taliban II turn out like.

[Mozz71]

Some people: "Sharia law is barbaric. The women and girls are oppressed under it and we must not.let that happen".

The same people: "No, those Muslim women and girls running from Sharia law aren't stepping forth in my country".

If you have said the former but agree with the latter then you're a complete hypocrite.

[pixie374]

Mozz, we don't seem to be getting many women and girls, mostly men, who then want the same here? Also, I'm not convinced the UK is the "nearest" safe country for many genuine refugees.
So, no "obligation", no.

[Mozz71]

Pixie- //Mozz, we don't seem to be getting many women and girls, mostly men, who then want the same here?//

I agree that we seem to be concentrating on the wrong people. I think we should be prioritising the women folk knowing the kind of life the Taliban want for them.kno

//Also, I'm not convinced the UK is the "nearest" safe country for many genuine refugees.
So, no "obligation", no.//

It shouldn't be up to the nearest safe country. All countries should take a share, especially those involved in the invasion in the first place.

[pixie374]

Aren't refugees meant to go to their nearest safe place? But I agree.... I don't know why we are only bothering with men, who should be standing up for themselves.

[pixie374]

I don't think we are "concentrating" on anyone- just allowing in anyone who gets here.

[eve1974]

Yes in this instance we have an obligation. But that obligation must come with certain codicils - for eg asylum seekers must be made to integrate into society