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Brexit?
Anyone know how this Brexit carry-on is doing.(Just asking for a friend).No empty shelves,no rationing of petrol,no asking back all these nasty Europeans we told to *** off back to their own countries or anything?As i said just asking for a friend.
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//As i said just asking for a friend.// ynnafymmi - have you got any friends? Just asking.
07:43 Sun 26th Sep 2021
\\... £350 million a week.... still seem unable to comprehend a statement followed by a suggestion.\\
Would have been nice to have all that followed by some sort of tangible benefit, but unfortunately we seem to have fallen at that particular fence.
If Brexit "success" simply meant winning the leave vote then nice one and nice success. I personally would also like my country to maintain the economic strength and international stature and power it has had for most of my life also - but let the others worry about that hey.
Would have been nice to have all that followed by some sort of tangible benefit, but unfortunately we seem to have fallen at that particular fence.
If Brexit "success" simply meant winning the leave vote then nice one and nice success. I personally would also like my country to maintain the economic strength and international stature and power it has had for most of my life also - but let the others worry about that hey.
ichi: "But what also needs to be borne in mind is that in this day and age “sovereignty” is a myth. What does it mean to be sovereign in the 21st century?
In fact what does it ever mean. "
Good question, which TTT correctly identifies as arms-length democracy.... our own, elected bureaucrats having the last word, has the power to change the law etc ... we, the voters, only have any power, after the fact.
In fact what does it ever mean. "
Good question, which TTT correctly identifies as arms-length democracy.... our own, elected bureaucrats having the last word, has the power to change the law etc ... we, the voters, only have any power, after the fact.
//The departure of thousands of EU workers here in Britain has caused massive problems all round//
//So well done all you Brexiteers -you won!//
//to say it's the fault of companies not being able to deal with Brexit is incorrect, Brexit was always going to cause problems for businesses…//
I don’t think you three quite get it. It was clear rom 24th June 2016 that the economic model of the UK was going to undergo profound change. The difficulties that some companies now find themselves in are partly (though not entirely) due to that change. But employers have had five years to adjust to the fact that they would be less likely to be able to employ labour from the EU and that some of the labour they were using may no longer be available (i.e. those employees will choose to go “home”). The fact that they have not prepared for it, or not seemed to believe it would happen is not the fault of the government. Companies run their businesses, not the government. Directors and managers have to prepare their businesses for changes. The change was forecast five years ago. Indeed, much of the period from 2016 to 2020 was riddled with dire forecasts of what was to come accompanied by concerted efforts to reverse the decision of the referendum. If that time had been spent preparing for the actual change of circumstances employers may have found themselves in a better position. The one thing the government does have the levers for is to stop paying people to sit at home eating Hobnobs all day when there are many hundreds of thousands of job vacancies. When they’ve done that they can stop topping up the wages of people who do have a job. “Working Tax Credits” are simply a method of transferring part of a company’s pay bill to the taxpayer and it needs to stop. In many cases it allows employees the choice of working fewer hours, safe in the knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the bill for their additional leisure time. It needs to stop.
//I personally would also like my country to maintain the economic strength and international stature and power it has had for most of my life also//
The UK had those qualities long, long before the EU came into existence. It maintained them throughout its membership because it was the UK, not because it was an EU member and it will maintain them long after the EU has disappeared up its own regulatory and protectionist exhaust pipe. Brexit is a long game and it will be a generation rather than a fortnight before the true advantages are fully realised. Citing a piddling fuel and goods distribution problem as a reason to have remained is simply absurd. To keep asking “where are the advantages” when we’ve been properly left for less than a year is equally absurd and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what the principle is about. The seeds of Brexit were sown long ago – much longer than most people care to imagine. They were purchased from the nursery in 1992 and were finally put into the ground following the Labour government’s appalling contempt in which it held the electorate between signing and ratifying the Lisbon Treaty between 2007 and 09. Now those seeds have finally germinated they will take some time to mature and people will simply have to get used the idea.
//So well done all you Brexiteers -you won!//
//to say it's the fault of companies not being able to deal with Brexit is incorrect, Brexit was always going to cause problems for businesses…//
I don’t think you three quite get it. It was clear rom 24th June 2016 that the economic model of the UK was going to undergo profound change. The difficulties that some companies now find themselves in are partly (though not entirely) due to that change. But employers have had five years to adjust to the fact that they would be less likely to be able to employ labour from the EU and that some of the labour they were using may no longer be available (i.e. those employees will choose to go “home”). The fact that they have not prepared for it, or not seemed to believe it would happen is not the fault of the government. Companies run their businesses, not the government. Directors and managers have to prepare their businesses for changes. The change was forecast five years ago. Indeed, much of the period from 2016 to 2020 was riddled with dire forecasts of what was to come accompanied by concerted efforts to reverse the decision of the referendum. If that time had been spent preparing for the actual change of circumstances employers may have found themselves in a better position. The one thing the government does have the levers for is to stop paying people to sit at home eating Hobnobs all day when there are many hundreds of thousands of job vacancies. When they’ve done that they can stop topping up the wages of people who do have a job. “Working Tax Credits” are simply a method of transferring part of a company’s pay bill to the taxpayer and it needs to stop. In many cases it allows employees the choice of working fewer hours, safe in the knowledge that the taxpayer will pick up the bill for their additional leisure time. It needs to stop.
//I personally would also like my country to maintain the economic strength and international stature and power it has had for most of my life also//
The UK had those qualities long, long before the EU came into existence. It maintained them throughout its membership because it was the UK, not because it was an EU member and it will maintain them long after the EU has disappeared up its own regulatory and protectionist exhaust pipe. Brexit is a long game and it will be a generation rather than a fortnight before the true advantages are fully realised. Citing a piddling fuel and goods distribution problem as a reason to have remained is simply absurd. To keep asking “where are the advantages” when we’ve been properly left for less than a year is equally absurd and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what the principle is about. The seeds of Brexit were sown long ago – much longer than most people care to imagine. They were purchased from the nursery in 1992 and were finally put into the ground following the Labour government’s appalling contempt in which it held the electorate between signing and ratifying the Lisbon Treaty between 2007 and 09. Now those seeds have finally germinated they will take some time to mature and people will simply have to get used the idea.
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Can't disagree with any of that NJ especially the top ups of wages, if a government can't see that employers Have been taking advantage of this , what chance have we got of getting anything else right. I must say I'm cob smacked that tons of pumpkins have managed to reach the shops, considering we are supposed to be having problems with transport to deliver products that won't end up in the bin like pumpkins. Talk about priorities?
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NJ:
//The fact that they [businesses] have not prepared for it, or not seemed to believe it would happen is not the fault of the government. Companies run their businesses, not the government//
//Brexit is a long game and it will be a generation rather than a fortnight before the true advantages are fully realised//
I mean come on if what I took from what you said isn't what was meant by the above statements then there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what words mean.
//The fact that they [businesses] have not prepared for it, or not seemed to believe it would happen is not the fault of the government. Companies run their businesses, not the government//
//Brexit is a long game and it will be a generation rather than a fortnight before the true advantages are fully realised//
I mean come on if what I took from what you said isn't what was meant by the above statements then there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what words mean.
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