New Delta Variant

[Gromit]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58965650

The UK has reported its highest number of Covid deaths for seven months, with 223 deaths recorded.

A further 43,738 coronavirus cases were reported, daily hospitalisations continued to rise, reaching 921, up 10% on the week.

[ToraToraTora]

they should stop publishing the figures in my opinion it only confuses people like gromit. Covid is no 9 on the list of things that cause death, we don't report daily figure of the others do we?

[pixie374]

It seems to include anyone has has died within 28 days of a positive covid test- no matter what the cause was.
Why is anyone even bothering to measure that?.
What are the percentage of deaths "from" covid, daily?

[pixie374]

He isn't confused, ttt. He deliberately left that out.

[ichkeria]

“ Thanks, gromit. But deaths "within 28 days of a positive test", honestly tells me nothing”

Well it should do, as it’s the same albeit imperfect yardstick that’s been used for months.
So when it goes up ( and it’s high even for a Tuesday) that means there probably are more deaths from the virus.
So it’s good to be aware of that.
If you want to have a pop at the government go ahead. On the other hand if you want to say it doesn’t matter, equally go ahead.
The trouble is we’re all in our camps now: one way or another

[ToraToraTora]

I don't just men the 28 days thing, gromit seems to think the no of cases is somehow relevant.

[pixie374]

I did ask, Ich... what's the percentage. We now have 223 deaths in a day, not from covid, but within 28 days of a positive test, whatever the cause and I've given just one example.
Does anyone know the average of how many deaths per day, there "usually" are?
I just don't get why covid is the "only" unacceptable death now. While deliberate kidney failure, stopping chemo and killing cancer patients, knowingly.... is just an acceptable side-effect?

[pixie374]

As we don't appear to know the number of covid deaths, and have never measured it, ttt... I'm not sure what we are supposed to compare.

[Gromit]

// gromit seems to think the no of cases is somehow relevant. //

Yes I do. The bigger the reservoir of people with covid, the more likely we are of getting a mutation that is harder to treat.
Quarter of a million a week with COvid a big number to ignore.

[grumpy01]

To paraphrase Humpty Dumpty “I make a figure mean what I want it to mean”That’s the government policy, it keeps us in the dark and therefore scared of our own shadows.Therefore when the next lockdown comes we will happily acquiesce.

[ichkeria]

The number of cases might be relevant.
But rather than just look at one set of figures it’s more helpful to look at trends
Same with the deaths: it’s an imperfect and unscientific method evidently but it’s the SAME method over time so all things being equal it does tell us something.
What it doesn’t do is argue the toss about whose fault it is: that’s our job :-)

[pixie374]

I'm not convinced, gromit. Surely, the more vaccinated people that get it, the more likely of a mutation?

I understand what you're saying, ich- but all things "aren't" equal. We are getting to a point, where sadly, we will lose lots to flu. They shouldn't all come under covid, because of a previous test. It helps nobody by being dishonest.

[douglas9401]

A quick glance out of the window tells me that the sky hasn't fallen.

Don't have nightmares, it's coming to all of us, eventually. That seems to get overlooked as a matter of course.

[grumpy01]

Although double vaccinated some,unfortunately,have immune systems which have been compromised and there fire prone to infection.

[Googlewerenohelp]

"new delta variant, wouldn't that make it the Epsilon variant?"
I wonder what the Omega varient will be like :-O

[Googlewerenohelp]

Then again the Iota varient might consist of nothing :-)

[naomi24]

I too think they should stop publishing numbers infected. If we subtract the number of deaths from the numbers infected we find that the recovery rate is enormous. This is something we’ve got to learn to live with. Daily scaremongering doesn’t help one iota.

[Googlewerenohelp]

...or even one Kappa!

[douglas9401]

Shoulders slump as I give a big psi.

[Googlewerenohelp]

...and the Lambda varient can be caught off the seats of scooters!

[pixie374]

Believe it or not, I've had a Google around gov sites- and can't seem to find overall recent daily death stats. They only give "covid". Anyone have any better info?