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Full Smoking Ban?
Should the UK follow New Zealand's lead and work towards a full smoking ban?
I think it's a very brave move, and personally I'd be all for it.
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I think it's a very brave move, and personally I'd be all for it.
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naomi: "Conversely, TTT, I knew a lady who smoked all her life and died age 84. In her later years she became housebound and smoking was her only real pleasure. Would I have taken that away from her? No, I wouldn't. " - of course not, I know it can actually be more dangerous to stop after a lifetime of smoking. That's the beauty of the NZ system. existing smokers can...
12:56 Sun 12th Dec 2021
"We don't have the freedom to chose whether or not to wear seat belts"
yes we do. you can either leave it off or put it on. If the poice catch you,that's a different matter
about 25 years ago when i was in america we had a car that automatically put the seat belt on you when you started the engine but i havent seen any cars over here with that feature
yes we do. you can either leave it off or put it on. If the poice catch you,that's a different matter
about 25 years ago when i was in america we had a car that automatically put the seat belt on you when you started the engine but i havent seen any cars over here with that feature
This is a tricky one, because it will always raise the notion of personal freedom and responsibility.
It's intriguing that as a culture, we have allowed the growth and massive profits of selling a product that, if used for its intended purpose, could kill you.
I personally don't subscibe to the "I can kill myself if I want to ,,," argument, becuase sometimes, society has to be protected from the stupid things it would do if it was not prevnted from doing so.
My belief is the twin changes we see coming through - the anti-social responses to smoking, coupled with the cost increases, are going to see an undesirable and unhelthy habit die out of its own accord.
It's intriguing that as a culture, we have allowed the growth and massive profits of selling a product that, if used for its intended purpose, could kill you.
I personally don't subscibe to the "I can kill myself if I want to ,,," argument, becuase sometimes, society has to be protected from the stupid things it would do if it was not prevnted from doing so.
My belief is the twin changes we see coming through - the anti-social responses to smoking, coupled with the cost increases, are going to see an undesirable and unhelthy habit die out of its own accord.
A-H
We've certainly seen a sea change in attitudes to smoking, but I wonder whether the change could be sped up a little.
I know from my own circle that a lot of people gave up when we were stopped from smoking in offices, bars, clubs and pubs - perhaps making it illegal to sell to people below a given age is the next logical step: from permissive to restrictive to illegal.
When you think of the number of people who could grow up a reduced threat of cancer, heart disease, strokes, lung diseases, diabetes, etc seems like a major win.
We've certainly seen a sea change in attitudes to smoking, but I wonder whether the change could be sped up a little.
I know from my own circle that a lot of people gave up when we were stopped from smoking in offices, bars, clubs and pubs - perhaps making it illegal to sell to people below a given age is the next logical step: from permissive to restrictive to illegal.
When you think of the number of people who could grow up a reduced threat of cancer, heart disease, strokes, lung diseases, diabetes, etc seems like a major win.
I wish nobody smoked. I stopped 30 years ago. Its seems like a very expensive way of giving yourself cancer. Having said that I am 100% against any government banning it, in the same way I am against compulsory vaccinations, it should be a personal choice. Handing such power to a government can lead too easily to fascism & dictatorship as history can demonstrate.
Everything should be done though, to try to prevent the young from starting in the first place.
Everything should be done though, to try to prevent the young from starting in the first place.
We don’t have the freedom to murder, rape and molest children? How ridiculous. What sort of an analogy is that?
I don’t agree that smoking should be banned. Whether it be to take part in dangerous sports, stuff their faces until they’re too fat to move, or to drink themselves stupid, people make their choices and they should be free to do so.
I don’t agree that smoking should be banned. Whether it be to take part in dangerous sports, stuff their faces until they’re too fat to move, or to drink themselves stupid, people make their choices and they should be free to do so.
naomi - // Whether it be to take part in dangerous sports, stuff their faces until they’re too fat to move, or to drink themselves stupid, people make their choices and they should be free to do so. //
A fair point - but if we are going to sanction the enjoyment of something whose only redeeming factor is addicting people, and costing them money, and placing a burden on our health service, then we would be hypocritical not to apply the same largesse to heroin - which actually creates far less damage in health terms, and has similarly miniscule benefits to either its users, or society at large.
Our problem is perception - nicotine is an 'acceptable' drug, heroin is not, and that is only down to social attitudes.
If we are going to allow on addiciton under the notion of personal freedom, then we surely have to allow the other?
A fair point - but if we are going to sanction the enjoyment of something whose only redeeming factor is addicting people, and costing them money, and placing a burden on our health service, then we would be hypocritical not to apply the same largesse to heroin - which actually creates far less damage in health terms, and has similarly miniscule benefits to either its users, or society at large.
Our problem is perception - nicotine is an 'acceptable' drug, heroin is not, and that is only down to social attitudes.
If we are going to allow on addiciton under the notion of personal freedom, then we surely have to allow the other?
naomi24
//We don’t have the freedom to murder, rape and molest children? How ridiculous. What sort of an analogy is that?//
It's really very straightforward. Please see the comments prior to what I said. It's about freedom...we aren't free to drive without seatbelts although we *can*. We're not physically prevented from doing so. Same way we're not physically prevented from a whole host of illegal activities, but once we commit them our freedoms can be curtailed.
//We don’t have the freedom to murder, rape and molest children? How ridiculous. What sort of an analogy is that?//
It's really very straightforward. Please see the comments prior to what I said. It's about freedom...we aren't free to drive without seatbelts although we *can*. We're not physically prevented from doing so. Same way we're not physically prevented from a whole host of illegal activities, but once we commit them our freedoms can be curtailed.
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