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Not sure why it is so hard to comprehend.
They have said from the beginning that Omicron is by far more transmissible than standard Covid or the Delta variant.
So in a fortnight confirmed cases have gone up from 25,000 daily cases to 100,000 daily cases..
And yet people are still trying to pass this off as no change - we must be testing 4 times more people to get 4 times more positive results.
No. More positive results because it is 4 times easier to catch.
They have said from the beginning that Omicron is by far more transmissible than standard Covid or the Delta variant.
So in a fortnight confirmed cases have gone up from 25,000 daily cases to 100,000 daily cases..
And yet people are still trying to pass this off as no change - we must be testing 4 times more people to get 4 times more positive results.
No. More positive results because it is 4 times easier to catch.
I agree about the non-reporting of LFTs...I did one yesterday as I was running a sharp headache - negative and I didn't report it. I have to say that the encouraging thing was seeing the hospitalisation numbers that are running at just over 8k - whereas in LD1 they were at 30k+ on a far lower overall cases number at peak. I appreciate that the full wave of hospitalisation may not have come through yet but it could be a good sign that the big O doesn't pack as big a punch than its predecessors.
Daily deaths are falling & hospital numbers are more or less stable. Infections/10,000 seem to have fallen everywhere tho' London is still higher. The XS deaths rate is steady and not all due to deaths FROM covid.
//If there isn't a bed shortage/crisis in the NHS this year, it'll be the first winter in at least 20 years there hasn't been.//
If there ISN''T a shortage it will be due to needlessly delayed non-covid treatments.
//If there isn't a bed shortage/crisis in the NHS this year, it'll be the first winter in at least 20 years there hasn't been.//
If there ISN''T a shortage it will be due to needlessly delayed non-covid treatments.
// Am unclear though on the basis of these figures.//
the number of tests are published every day - yes they are
and if you dont like them, deny them and make some more!
this may, m'lud be why they dont do a gt song and dance about the denominator, because all that happens is that they say - "oh that is not clear at all, I think it should be higher"
and others say: "oh that is not clear at all, it must be lower!"
and a thrid say: why dont we believe what we are given
and groups 1 and 2 shout oh no we cant do that!
the number of tests are published every day - yes they are
and if you dont like them, deny them and make some more!
this may, m'lud be why they dont do a gt song and dance about the denominator, because all that happens is that they say - "oh that is not clear at all, I think it should be higher"
and others say: "oh that is not clear at all, it must be lower!"
and a thrid say: why dont we believe what we are given
and groups 1 and 2 shout oh no we cant do that!
unclear ( Very Unclear) comment on unclear figures
hur hur hur
0829 - oh god you must see this! - Andy Burnham - TV ch 231- who knows nothing about testing and stats, earnestly discussing with Nagga - who knows how to nag but little else, about the utility ( wait for it) the various covid tests and the veracity of the figures !
its better than the usual suspects on AB !
hur hur hur
0829 - oh god you must see this! - Andy Burnham - TV ch 231- who knows nothing about testing and stats, earnestly discussing with Nagga - who knows how to nag but little else, about the utility ( wait for it) the various covid tests and the veracity of the figures !
its better than the usual suspects on AB !
// The XS deaths rate is steady and not all due to deaths FROM covid.//
yes a regular feature ( xs rates are not xs enough)
and I wondered..... if all the deaths wiv Covid cases WERE from Covid and a few more that were discounted, were in fact ALSO from covid
ie
more lethal than expected
OR for the covid=flu people ( hi NJ ! - just saying Hi! not fingerpointing and laughing or sniggering or anything) - a particularly lethal flu this year
yes a regular feature ( xs rates are not xs enough)
and I wondered..... if all the deaths wiv Covid cases WERE from Covid and a few more that were discounted, were in fact ALSO from covid
ie
more lethal than expected
OR for the covid=flu people ( hi NJ ! - just saying Hi! not fingerpointing and laughing or sniggering or anything) - a particularly lethal flu this year
// If there ISN''T a shortage it will be due to needlessly delayed non-covid treatments.//
nope not needless
if you go out, and you ask your mummy if it will rain, and she looks at the dark skys and black clouds carrying rain, and says yes
so you take your raincoat
i dont regard the extra weight lugging around an unused raincoat
as "needless"
I know I am a sad donkey and need help ....
nope not needless
if you go out, and you ask your mummy if it will rain, and she looks at the dark skys and black clouds carrying rain, and says yes
so you take your raincoat
i dont regard the extra weight lugging around an unused raincoat
as "needless"
I know I am a sad donkey and need help ....
//And yet people are still trying to pass this off as no change - we must be testing 4 times more people to get 4 times more positive results. No. More positive results because it is 4 times easier to catch.//
So if we test nobody and there are (very surprisingly) no positive results does that mean the virus has disappeared? I think possibly not. Of course the number of tests influences the number of positive results and to look at one without the other is meaningless. I don't really know why anybody would think otherwise.
So if we test nobody and there are (very surprisingly) no positive results does that mean the virus has disappeared? I think possibly not. Of course the number of tests influences the number of positive results and to look at one without the other is meaningless. I don't really know why anybody would think otherwise.
The experts now agree with the South African experts that Omicron is mild.
The Health Security Agency shows sufferers are 50 per cent less likely to need hospital treatment than with Delta. Imperial College confirmed the massively reduced hospitalisation risk and detected not a single case of Omicron in the triple-jabbed. Edinburgh University research estimated the risk of being hospitalised by Omicron to be 68 per cent lower.
(The above has been shamelessly C&P'd from a Daily Mail article).
Omicron is a mild variant. It just is. Yes, it's more transmissible, but if caught, and you're jabbed, it's mild.
The stat that shocked me the most is that up to 90 per cent of UK Covid patients in intensive care are unjabbed. This speaks volumes.
There is no reason to continue the restrictions, and certainly no reason to apply more in England after Xmas...which I believe is the suspicion.
The Health Security Agency shows sufferers are 50 per cent less likely to need hospital treatment than with Delta. Imperial College confirmed the massively reduced hospitalisation risk and detected not a single case of Omicron in the triple-jabbed. Edinburgh University research estimated the risk of being hospitalised by Omicron to be 68 per cent lower.
(The above has been shamelessly C&P'd from a Daily Mail article).
Omicron is a mild variant. It just is. Yes, it's more transmissible, but if caught, and you're jabbed, it's mild.
The stat that shocked me the most is that up to 90 per cent of UK Covid patients in intensive care are unjabbed. This speaks volumes.
There is no reason to continue the restrictions, and certainly no reason to apply more in England after Xmas...which I believe is the suspicion.
I would be cautious atm about how it is supposedly encouraging
Yes maybe for those who have it but this sums it up well from the bbc live feed :
Omicron seems milder than Delta, so can we all relax?
It’s clearly good news if you test positive - but it’s also important to remember some basic maths.
The pressure on hospitals will be a combination of the severity of the variant and the number of people infected.
If Omicron is half as severe, but we have twice the number of cases - then you’re back where you started.
And there is a lot of Covid around at the moment. Daily cases peaked at 68,000 last winter - and we’ve already topped 106,000 now.
There are also concerns that the benefit of Omicron being milder is eroded by more people being susceptible as the variant bypasses some immunity.
Then there is the pressure on hospitals if large numbers of staff have to isolate.
So while the severity data is welcome news, ministers will also have to closely monitor the trends in the number of cases.
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As pointed out in the live feed too we still have new years eve to come yet they will act like another super spreader event
Not good when the head of the nhs has just said that it is the busiest December ever
Yes maybe for those who have it but this sums it up well from the bbc live feed :
Omicron seems milder than Delta, so can we all relax?
It’s clearly good news if you test positive - but it’s also important to remember some basic maths.
The pressure on hospitals will be a combination of the severity of the variant and the number of people infected.
If Omicron is half as severe, but we have twice the number of cases - then you’re back where you started.
And there is a lot of Covid around at the moment. Daily cases peaked at 68,000 last winter - and we’ve already topped 106,000 now.
There are also concerns that the benefit of Omicron being milder is eroded by more people being susceptible as the variant bypasses some immunity.
Then there is the pressure on hospitals if large numbers of staff have to isolate.
So while the severity data is welcome news, ministers will also have to closely monitor the trends in the number of cases.
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As pointed out in the live feed too we still have new years eve to come yet they will act like another super spreader event
Not good when the head of the nhs has just said that it is the busiest December ever
//The stat that shocked me the most is that up to 90 per cent of UK Covid patients in intensive care are unjabbed. This speaks volumes.//
I think that 90% on the high side of reports I've seen Deskdiary .... but I wonder if royfromaus will hound you for proof of actual verified figures like he do's when i mention the reported mbalance in hospital cases between vaxxed and unvaxxed.
I think that 90% on the high side of reports I've seen Deskdiary .... but I wonder if royfromaus will hound you for proof of actual verified figures like he do's when i mention the reported mbalance in hospital cases between vaxxed and unvaxxed.
davebro..//Am I right in thinking that's a complete invention?//
Yes and no....not a complete invention as the weekly daily average was just 60000 at the last peak in January2021 but its false in that there were a couple of days when it exceeded 68000 figure including about 81000 one day
https:/
Hopefully it wont lead to hospital overload and increase'd deaths...
Yes and no....not a complete invention as the weekly daily average was just 60000 at the last peak in January2021 but its false in that there were a couple of days when it exceeded 68000 figure including about 81000 one day
https:/
Hopefully it wont lead to hospital overload and increase'd deaths...
https:/
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