War News

[ichkeria]

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I thought I would start a separate thread on the situation in Ukraine as several of the other related threads are getting a bit fractious and have long since deviated from the original question.
That isn't a criticism: it's human nature and shows we're free to argue.

This man was miraculously pulled from his car in Obolon (N Kyiv) after it was steamrollered by a Russian tank. The "denazification" process continues (!)

https://twitter.com/ww3_ukraine/status/1497156604260724736/photo/1

[pat2604]

The whole situation is dreadful. Almost unbelievable.

[Hopkirk]

Be very careful believing anything you see on social media on this subject

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60513452

[jno]

a good point, Hopkirk. War has always benefited from big lies, but these days there are so many little ones around.

[ichkeria]

That one is genuine I can assure you. There was previous film footage just before of the tank actually going over the car

[ichkeria]

CNN seem to have reporters all over: even across the order in Russia.
Even Kherson, which is impressive, and where is seems that for now at least Ukrainian forces have repelled the Russian advance from the south.

[jno]

this is where mainstream media are important: news goes through verification procedures. You can still discount any that you think are biased, which might include RT or Fox according to taste. But I think Hopkirk's right to distrust social media.

[Hopkirk]

CNN may be a bit more trustworthy than RT, but I would take all media reports with scepticism at the moment.

[ichkeria]

Yes although I am a bit miffed the veracity of my link was called in question. I'm well aware of the fakes.
There have been a few on Russian mainstream TV in the leadup to war, which were almost laughable.
eg: a report that a border post on the Russian side of the border had been shelled by Ukraine. It was accompanied by footage of a rather sorry-looking shed in the middle of some trees.
Then there was the poor man who'd lost his leg after being hit by a Russian shell. on close inspection it was clear he had a prosthesis that had been conveniently removed.
My favourite: Ukraine's "battle plans" for attacking the separatist regions, miraculously captured: all in Russian,
All this would be funny were it not so tragic.

[anneasquith]

I’m watching all I can on the media. The whole event looks like a badly made novel of world war 2.
I can’t imagine taking or going into an underground tube station to save my life.
How can one man ( Putin ) have so much power ?

[ichkeria]

"CNN may be a bit more trustworthy than RT,"

Yes, about 9000% per cent more trustworthy

[ichkeria]

"Then there was the poor man who'd lost his leg after being hit by a Russian shell."

Ukrainian shell

[sevenOP]

CNN in Kiev

https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1496852721311309834

[ichkeria]

"I can’t imagine taking or going into an underground tube station to save my life. "

Many of the stations, especially in Kyiv, are among the deepest in the world: they were originally built to double as nuclear bomb shelters, ironically.
I think Arsenal metro station is the deepest and Kreshchatyk has one of the world's longest escalators (I can personally vouch that it's a contender!)

[ichkeria]

"https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1496852721311309834"

That was on the tv yesterday

[youngmafbog]

CNN is not trustworthy at all.

//news goes through verification procedures.//

Yes, we have seen that over the past few years. It is verified to ensure it matches the particular channels agenda.

Unfortunately, as I have said before, truth is always the first casualty of war.

And I'm not saying I dont believe your link Ick, I am pretty sure things like that must be happening all over Ukraine at the moment.

[ichkeria]

And that's the tragedy of fake news.

It's like doping. Even the genuine are suspected.

[youngmafbog]

Unfortunately so.

Better not use the term 'fake news' . Orange man bad, rememeber?

[sevenOP]

"Better not use the term 'fake news' . Orange man bad, rememeber?"

LoL. He brought into clear view the poisoning of the well that had Long been poisoned.

[ichkeria]

The difference between the two is that when it is done eg by the Kremlin, it's one of the aims
"Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible"
That's even the title of a book on Russian media.
You poison the truth with lies everyone knows are lies.
That's a bit different admittedly from clever fakes by nobodies with clever software and google in dark bedrooms

[jno]

sorry, ichkeria, I certainly didn't intend to call your link into question. My comment was just intended to suggest that anything on social media needs to be treated with caution, not that it's necessarily partisan or wrong.