no reason why NJ or anyone here should "recall" what happened to the Irish, but among other incidents since the time of Henry II, Cromwell sent his army to subdue the Irish; they killed possibly half the population (estimates vary widely on this), killed soldiers (including many who had surrendered) and civilians alike, transported thousands as "indentured labour", and left famine and bubonic plague behind them. I wouldn't swear Ukraine is worse off, allowing for technological advances in weaponry.