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Confidence Vote For Boris Looming?
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Can you hear that noise? No, not the boos and jeers this time.
That is the sound of the death knell for the Prime Minister.
Looks like he will be put out of our misery very shortly.
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All this before the select committee even begin their grilling over whether he lied to parliament. Far better he falls on his sword now.
Can you hear that noise? No, not the boos and jeers this time.
That is the sound of the death knell for the Prime Minister.
Looks like he will be put out of our misery very shortly.
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All this before the select committee even begin their grilling over whether he lied to parliament. Far better he falls on his sword now.
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I'm not sure you understand how things owrk.
Is there likely to be a vote of no confidence? Yes. Will he win it? - yes.
My guess, at this point of time, is that only about 30% of MP's will vote against Johnson so he will remain in the post as a lame duck PM. Johnson would be unlikely to quit even if he won by only one vote - he will need to be dragged kicking and screaming from No10.
for a year.
If he wins it means no more votes for a year, whether or not he does actually survive that time is another matter - take for example May.
Is there likely to be a vote of no confidence? Yes. Will he win it? - yes.
My guess, at this point of time, is that only about 30% of MP's will vote against Johnson so he will remain in the post as a lame duck PM. Johnson would be unlikely to quit even if he won by only one vote - he will need to be dragged kicking and screaming from No10.
for a year.
If he wins it means no more votes for a year, whether or not he does actually survive that time is another matter - take for example May.
Even if he wins the vote he will still be in trouble:-
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Should he survive a no-confidence vote, they will be struck with him for at least another year – probably to late to replace him for the general election.
Some have said he has enough support to win the vote – but I suspect, like Thatcher, someone will whisper in his ear that the game is up for this incompetent fool, and he should resign.
Some have said he has enough support to win the vote – but I suspect, like Thatcher, someone will whisper in his ear that the game is up for this incompetent fool, and he should resign.
A bit of a quandary for the Tory Party. Boris's "charm" undoubtedly won the last GE for them after charmless May's vanity election debacle so they're between a rock and a hard place. Who would replace Boris ?
The Tory Party do have one trick up their sleeve - Starmer is not a particularly attractive alternative.
The Tory Party do have one trick up their sleeve - Starmer is not a particularly attractive alternative.
Very much as ymb says:
there'll be a vote, he'll win, and he'll carry on. However ...
May and Thatcher both won confidence votes, but both were fatally wounded nonetheless.
I am appalled at some of the criticism Johnson's opponents have received - maybe there are a few who fit that bill, but in fairness many MPs were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but they now feel post-Sue Gray that enough is enough.
Anyone else would be gone by now.
In a way, I'm sorry. He's been a staunch supporter of Ukraine while certain other leaders have wavered, but I am confident any successor would be just as forthright.
If the vote of confidence was held in the Verkhovna Rada in Kyiv tho he'd romp home!
there'll be a vote, he'll win, and he'll carry on. However ...
May and Thatcher both won confidence votes, but both were fatally wounded nonetheless.
I am appalled at some of the criticism Johnson's opponents have received - maybe there are a few who fit that bill, but in fairness many MPs were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but they now feel post-Sue Gray that enough is enough.
Anyone else would be gone by now.
In a way, I'm sorry. He's been a staunch supporter of Ukraine while certain other leaders have wavered, but I am confident any successor would be just as forthright.
If the vote of confidence was held in the Verkhovna Rada in Kyiv tho he'd romp home!
youngmafbog
//I'm not sure you understand how things owrk.
Is there likely to be a vote of no confidence? Yes. Will he win it? - yes.//
I do understand how things work. What you’re failing to understand is that this PM is now a more divisive character and far more of a hate figure than Margaret Thatcher ever was. She at least brought about the return of the Falklands in a mood of jingoistic pride amongst the country.
Boris Johnson has done nothing to even vaguely come close by comparison, other than being embroiled in scandal after scandal, to the point that his premiership is one of the most beset and beleaguered in political history. She wouldn’t have allowed herself to be put under so much scrutiny for evasion of truth and debacles resulting in the office of PM being so sullied and mired in controversy.
By his actions he has made his own position untenable and lots of Tory MP’s know they will struggle to keep their seats at the election and as the link says have already given up hope of doing so.
Even if he wins the confidence vote his reputation, already in the gutter with the public and questioned by his own party will be terminally damaged and I’m sure the Tory hierarchy will besiege him until he resigns.
After all, former PM’s who survive such a vote have barely gone on much longer. With the election getting ever closer I’m sure his party knows what needs to be done for them to stand any chance, that’s why they’ve made their feelings known so vocally and publicly in the House of Commons and via the media.
//I'm not sure you understand how things owrk.
Is there likely to be a vote of no confidence? Yes. Will he win it? - yes.//
I do understand how things work. What you’re failing to understand is that this PM is now a more divisive character and far more of a hate figure than Margaret Thatcher ever was. She at least brought about the return of the Falklands in a mood of jingoistic pride amongst the country.
Boris Johnson has done nothing to even vaguely come close by comparison, other than being embroiled in scandal after scandal, to the point that his premiership is one of the most beset and beleaguered in political history. She wouldn’t have allowed herself to be put under so much scrutiny for evasion of truth and debacles resulting in the office of PM being so sullied and mired in controversy.
By his actions he has made his own position untenable and lots of Tory MP’s know they will struggle to keep their seats at the election and as the link says have already given up hope of doing so.
Even if he wins the confidence vote his reputation, already in the gutter with the public and questioned by his own party will be terminally damaged and I’m sure the Tory hierarchy will besiege him until he resigns.
After all, former PM’s who survive such a vote have barely gone on much longer. With the election getting ever closer I’m sure his party knows what needs to be done for them to stand any chance, that’s why they’ve made their feelings known so vocally and publicly in the House of Commons and via the media.
'To find him getting cat-called mid-term during a cost-of-living crunch and after the long onslaught of partygate is pretty much par for the course. Does being six points behind Labour right now point to inevitable defeat in 2024? Hardly. Starmer is about as popular as a damp dishcloth and his party has failed to persuade Tory-leaners that it can be trusted with power. Even a dreadful new opinion poll for the Tories in Wakefield, where a by-election is being fought, finds that just 7 per cent of 2019 Conservative voters have switched to Starmer’s party.
In other words, most of the lost Tory voters are simply sitting it out at the moment, knowing that by-elections are not going to put Labour into power. They are there to be won back, just as Lady Thatcher won back support in the run-up to the 1987 election after trailing Neil Kinnock’s Labour badly in most polls published during the previous year.'
In other words, most of the lost Tory voters are simply sitting it out at the moment, knowing that by-elections are not going to put Labour into power. They are there to be won back, just as Lady Thatcher won back support in the run-up to the 1987 election after trailing Neil Kinnock’s Labour badly in most polls published during the previous year.'
//She at least brought about the return of the Falklands in a mood of jingoistic pride amongst the country.//
It wasn’t jingoistic pride. It was relief that the islands that were populated by people fiercely proud of their British heritage and who had no wish to be ruled by anybody from South America had been relieved of that threat. I visited the Falklands before many people in the UK knew where they were or had even heard of them and I can tell you that the people there fully deserved our protection from a foreign invasion. Quite why it is that there is a large section of the UK population who are critical of everything it does or has done thoroughly bemuses me. It seems very strange to me that, in the main, following the Russian invasion, there has been almost unstinting support for the people of Ukraine. But a similar unjustified invasion by a South American dictatorship upon (what was then) a British Crown Colony inhabited almost solely by people of British descent is often seen as justified and the UK had no business reacting in the manner it did. To have abandoned the Falkland Islanders to their fate would have been criminal – almost as criminal as the Argentinian military invasion on a largely undefended population of civilians.
But back to the question, Mr Johnson needs to go and go soon. There are large numbers of Tory voters who will not vote for the Party whilst he and (particularly) his policies remain in place. The country needs a Tory leader who will embrace Conservative principles and lead it from the stupor it is currently enduring where excessive taxes and borrowing are supporting it way beyond its means.
It wasn’t jingoistic pride. It was relief that the islands that were populated by people fiercely proud of their British heritage and who had no wish to be ruled by anybody from South America had been relieved of that threat. I visited the Falklands before many people in the UK knew where they were or had even heard of them and I can tell you that the people there fully deserved our protection from a foreign invasion. Quite why it is that there is a large section of the UK population who are critical of everything it does or has done thoroughly bemuses me. It seems very strange to me that, in the main, following the Russian invasion, there has been almost unstinting support for the people of Ukraine. But a similar unjustified invasion by a South American dictatorship upon (what was then) a British Crown Colony inhabited almost solely by people of British descent is often seen as justified and the UK had no business reacting in the manner it did. To have abandoned the Falkland Islanders to their fate would have been criminal – almost as criminal as the Argentinian military invasion on a largely undefended population of civilians.
But back to the question, Mr Johnson needs to go and go soon. There are large numbers of Tory voters who will not vote for the Party whilst he and (particularly) his policies remain in place. The country needs a Tory leader who will embrace Conservative principles and lead it from the stupor it is currently enduring where excessive taxes and borrowing are supporting it way beyond its means.
Khandro
//'To find him getting cat-called mid-term during a cost-of-living crunch and after the long onslaught of partygate is pretty much par for the course.//
Lol. Par for the course? Remind me again of a sitting PM who has undergone such parliamentary/civil service scrutiny and lambasting for breaking law and his government for such misdemeanours whilst in office?
Unless there were raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 that compare, I’ve a feeling you’ll be hard pressed.
//'To find him getting cat-called mid-term during a cost-of-living crunch and after the long onslaught of partygate is pretty much par for the course.//
Lol. Par for the course? Remind me again of a sitting PM who has undergone such parliamentary/civil service scrutiny and lambasting for breaking law and his government for such misdemeanours whilst in office?
Unless there were raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 that compare, I’ve a feeling you’ll be hard pressed.
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