Brexit

[gulliver1]

Boris will go down in History as the P/M who
.............Didn't Get Brexit Done just left the UK in a state of Chaos.
What a shambles you have caused Boris. Go now and let the Country start repairing the Damage you have done.

[davebro]

//'The majority voted to leave'
Why do most people wants UK to leave the EU?//

I don't think that necessarily the majority *wanted* to leave but if you can't be bothered to get off your backside and vote for what you do want then you have to accept the result of the vote.

[JDavis]

This democratic will of the people claim is nonsense. Nearly half voted to remain - this was not a mandate for a hard brexit. It would have been more democratic to have another vote on the final deal being offered.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "Brexit still isn't done. " - what a stupid thing to say, of course it's done.

[Untitled]

If brexit is done, why does the government want to renegotiate the NI protocol?

[davebro]

//This democratic will of the people claim is nonsense. Nearly half voted to remain - this was not a mandate for a hard brexit. It would have been more democratic to have another vote on the final deal being offered.//

Cameron didn't stipulate that - he said that whatever was decided would be done.

[ToraToraTora]

we negotiate every day with foreign powers over all manner of things. Our government such that it is now sovereign rather than the unelected EUSSR crats. Brexit is done, you lost, get over it.

[davebro]

//If brexit is done, why does the government want to renegotiate the NI protocol?//

Because it's in the agreement that the protocol can be re-negotiated at the request of either side.

[cashier]

There wasn't a hard Brexit done. It was a very soft Brexit deal.

[Untitled]

The UK government wants to get rid of it entirely and it was a central part of our withdrawal agreement.

[ToraToraTora]

cashier: "It was a very soft Brexit deal." - would you care to outline your reasons for this belief.

[New Judge]

//Nearly half voted to remain - this was not a mandate for a hard brexit.//

And more than half voted to leave. There was no question on the paper about "hard" or "soft" Brexit. And in any case, the term are meaningless. You're either in or you're out, and we're out. In any case, done that, been there, got the T-shirt.

//If brexit is done, why does the government want to renegotiate the NI protocol?//

Because if you read the protocol it is contingent upon both sides acting pragmatically and responsibly. Unfortunately, the EU has not acted in Good Faith with regards the border issues. The idea was that goods destined to remain in NI would be treated differently to those which may cross the Irish border. That is blatantly not the case: although only 0.5% of goods entering the EU do so across the Irish Sea, more than 20% of all customs checks are carried out there. Hence the need to invoke Article 16 if necessary.

[Untitled]

Then brexit isn’t done.

[Spicerack]

Great timing from Starmer. Declared his life long commitment to Brexit the day before all this blew up.
Not to worry, there's always the Liberal Party for those that don't like/ understand democracy.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: of course it's done.

[ToraToraTora]

spice, you mean the Lib Non Dems!

[Untitled]

If we haven’t figured out our only border with an EU country then it’s not done.

[ToraToraTora]

we have figured it out, end of.

[Untitled]

If we'd figured it out then we wouldn't be trying so hard to alter or break our own agreement.

[naomi24]

//Not to worry, there's always the Liberal Party for those that don't like/ understand democracy.//

True. Their mantra - *** to Brexit.

The AB filter probably won't allow that^ - but I'm sure you get the gist.

[New Judge]

//If we'd figured it out then we wouldn't be trying so hard to alter or break our own agreement.//

Shall we put this nonsense to bed. Firstly, it isn’t “our” agreement. It is a bilateral agreement made between the UK and the EU. But secondly (and more importantly) the UK is not seeking to “break” it. Quite on the contrary, it is considering invoking a clause from the very agreement itself. I quote:

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Article 16

Safeguards

1. If the application of this Protocol leads to serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist, or to diversion of trade, the Union or the United Kingdom may unilaterally take appropriate safeguard measures.
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There is no doubt that the Protocol is leading to the sort of serious difficulties described and they are likely to persist for so long as the EU fails to act pragmatically (i.e. indefinitely). Therefore the UK is perfectly entitled to invoke Article 16 and take the required measures to safeguard its interests, without reference to the EU (as the EU planned to do when they believed their Covid vaccine supply was in jeopardy). So let’s have no more talk about “breaking international law” or any other ill-considered cobblers.