Brexit

[gulliver1]

Boris will go down in History as the P/M who
.............Didn't Get Brexit Done just left the UK in a state of Chaos.
What a shambles you have caused Boris. Go now and let the Country start repairing the Damage you have done.

[Zacs-Master]

The safeguard measures aren't permeant tho, NJ, and must be “restricted with regard to their scope and duration”

[drmorgans]

"The will of the people"? Load of rubbish. That dumbhead Cameron so poorly framed the referendum that "Brexit" could mean anything you wanted. Then the dumbhead resigned because he realised he had totally misjudged the feeling of the nation.

[Zacs-Master]

totally misjudged just over 50% of the feeling of the nation, do you mean?

[ToraToraTora]

drmorgans: //"The will of the people"? Load of rubbish. That dumbhead Cameron so poorly framed the referendum that "Brexit" could mean anything you wanted.// - what are you on about the question was as simple as you can get, a pure binary choice: "The referendum question was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? " - what would you suggest?
//Then the dumbhead resigned because he realised he had totally misjudged the feeling of the nation. // - He resigned because it went the wrong way (for him).

[drmorgans]

The referendum didn't state what "Brexit" meant, what we have now, staying in the single market or customs union - which is why May got in such a pickle.

[ToraToraTora]

drmorgans: "The referendum didn't state what "Brexit" meant, what we have now, staying in the single market or customs union - which is why May got in such a pickle. " - rubbish, it was 100% clear what brexit meant, it meant we leave the EUSSR, end of. Clearly we needed to thrash out terms but the referendum question was unambiguous. May got into a pickle because she was a remoaner who tried to negotiate a "BRINO" deal.

[Untitled]

"Firstly, it isn’t “our” agreement. It is a bilateral agreement made between the UK and the EU."

These descriptions are not contradictory.

"So let’s have no more talk about “breaking international law” or any other ill-considered cobblers."

Substitute "break" for "do away with" then... point still stands: if our only border with an EU state is not settled then Brexit cannot be described as "done".

[ToraToraTora]

rubbish untitled what a load of cack. We agreed NI etc at the point of brexit on 31/1/2020. That is when it was done. Are you saying that having further talks with the EUSSR suddenly reverses Brexit to back before we left? Never heard such a c0ckeyed interpretation in my life. We negotiate different things with many countries all the time that does not mean past treaties are suddenly reversed does it?

[Untitled]

" Are you saying that having further talks with the EUSSR suddenly reverses Brexit to back before we left? "

no.

[Untitled]

"May got into a pickle because she was a remoaner who tried to negotiate a "BRINO" deal."

May's deal was almost exactly the same as your beloved Johnson's.

[ToraToraTora]

great so brexit is done then.

[ToraToraTora]

"May's deal was almost exactly the same as your beloved Johnson's. " - I suggest you do some research, the two were completely different.

[Untitled]

A blaze is not extinguished if it's still burning.

A turd is not flushed if it's still floating.

Brexit is not done if our only border with an EU state is still being negotiated.

[ToraToraTora]

believe what you want, you're wrong.

[Untitled]

the only difference of substance was the Northern Ireland protocol.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-deal-withdrawal-agreement

[douglas9401]

If Brexit was done there'd be no need for separatists to froth and foam at the mouth about it.

Oven ready? At least BJs goose is cooked.

[New Judge]

//The safeguard measures aren't permeant tho, NJ, and must be “restricted with regard to their scope and duration”//

Indeed, Zacs. They can be restricted in their duration until the problems the Protocol has thrown up no longer exist. Since that will require the EU to behave sensibly over the border they have insisted on within the UK and since that seems to be sometime never, the measures must last until then.

//Substitute "break" for "do away with" then...//

How is it doing away with the Protocol when it remains in place, albeit suspended under its explicit terms? I fail to see how you can say Brexit is not done. The UK is no longer a member of the EU (which was the point of Brexit). If we were still a member there would be no need for the Protocol. The border between the UK and the EU is settled – it’s in the Irish Sea. That arrangement is causing difficulties. There’s no need for it to do so because there are plenty of ways to ensure that only goods bound for the Republic are subject to scrutiny. But the EU won’t hear of that so they face the prospect of the UK making its own arrangements, outside the Protocol, courtesy of A16. Seems settled enough to me.

[Peter Pedant]

You lost get over it.
yes YMF your man unceremoniously got the bums rush this am outside Downing Side
(richly) deserved

oh oops sozza - you are talking about something else....

[Untitled]

"How is it doing away with the Protocol when it remains in place, albeit suspended under its explicit terms? "

Because the UK government is seeking to do away with the NI Protocol via the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill despite having agreed it three years ago.

incidentally the UK government has also admitted that this action would if passed breach its obligations under international law.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/13/uk-risks-brexit-eu-trade-war-as-northern-ireland-protocol-bill-is-published

[JDavis]

Brexit was so vague that voters couldn't really understand what they were voting for (beyond the 350m per week for the NHS!) It was such a complex issue that a simple yes/no vote was obviously unsuitable.
Of course Cameron handled it very badly but it's hardly the will of the people and based on a lie.

And clearly Brexit has not yet been done.