How Many More Of These ….

[ichkeria]

Before Russia is declared a terrorist state?

Vynnytsya’s “good luck” ran out this morning

Death toll in Chasiv Yar apartment bombing rises to 48.

Warning:
Distressing (even though partially airbrushed) image:

https://ibb.co/tB7Qz7C

Get rid of Putin and who’s the favourite to replace him?
Nikolai Patrushev, a man suspected by many of masterminding the Dubrovka and Volgodonsk terrorist attacks in the 2000s

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i don’t see what they can possibly hope to achieve with these atrocities… the Ukrainian resistance will only be strengthened. i notice some of them have been taking place in Donbass as well which was i understood before this invasion relatively “pro-russian”?

what a horrible waste of human life.

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person from ukrainian presidential office discusses what labelling a country a terrorist state involves here…

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-russia-a-terrorist-state-tank-commander-vadim-shishimarin-ukraine-war/

obviously would be interested to read a counter-argument!

[anneasquith]

Ich. Partially airbrushed, . Still extremely graphic and shameful. Is / was there a baby in that buggy ?
Dear God I wish someone would help Ukraine to stop this.

[ichkeria]

There was I’m afraid yes.

I did warn you

[ichkeria]

I’m also slightly puzzled by the thinking behind this sort of thing.
But then, we often struggle to see the reasoning behind any terrorist attack

[anneasquith]

I think I already knew.
These horrific images should be in the media on a daily basis.

[youngmafbog]

The problem is I doubt it would change anything.

Short of the West piling in it will continue I'm afraid. And piling in is out of the question, he would be likely to obliterate Ukraine just out of spite even if he didnt try it on the West.

The man has lost the plot and he is surrounded by sycophants who will do nothing to discourage him.

As for a potential replacement, he/she could be worse. No elections there, its last to be thrown out of a high rise.

[ichkeria]

Like I say: Patrushev: the man who likely sullied Putin’s hands in the Dubrovka affair, who likely masterminded the Volgodonsk bombings and who may have given the word to attack the school at Beslan to end the hostage crisis prematurely and who fascinatingly may also persuaded Putin not to resign, as apparently wanted to do, after Ukraine’s Orange Revolution in 2004 resulted in humiliation for the Kremlin.
Now the Kremlin is humiliating itself, admittedly at terrible cost to Ukraine (but also to Russia). It will end badly for them but the end almost certainly will not be quick

[bednobs]

i am struggling to see what that image represents - is that a severed foot on the left?

[ichkeria]

Yes bednobs.

And I have to admit I hadn’t noticed it first time I saw the picture earlier.
So apologies but I do tend to agree with Anne. The more we show this the less chance there is of people getting fed up of it as Putin probably hopes.
Like I say therefore, odd strategy of his really

[naomi24]

I struggled too, bednobs, until anneasquith mentioned a baby’s buggy.

[ichkeria]

The child is still under the blue thing at that point …

Not wishing to rub it in too much

[naomi24]

How do you know, ich? Where did the picture come from?

[ichkeria]

It’s come from a local photo agency Naomi. That’s what they said and I think it’s sadly true
If you look on the BBC link I posted the cover has been removed and the scene … er tidied up. The shoes placed neatly alongside and the er … other things removed

[ichkeria]

I’m sorry to do this to people but …

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1547576391759118336?s=21&t=B7_2KnO6aOv73JoFVm9-Kw

[anneasquith]

Do you think maybe a bit of propaganda Naomi. ?

[ichkeria]

I am sure that wasn't at all what naomi was thinking anne.

It's hard for us to comprehend some of these horrors.
I think it's good that these days with social media a lot of this evil is exposed to us. There are fewer places for the butchers to hide their crimes.
And the first convicted russian war criminal was caught on CCTV.

[naomi24]

I don’t know, anneasquith. The Russians having attacked civilians in shopping centres, hospitals, residential areas, etc., probably not but I question much of what we see from both sides.

What BBC link, ich?

[ichkeria]

My link in the OP