Is This What Brexiteers Wanted?

[diddlydo]

Queues at Dover:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62263176

I wonder how many of those caught up in the queues voted for Brexit. We travelled to France dozens of times when we were in the EU and were never held up at French border control (which was often unmanned as it didn't need to check anything). I hopr Brexiteers are sent to the back of the queue.

[Khandro]

The passports having been already checked by the French police in Dover.

[ichkeria]

I am assuming Corby means for travel to the UK.

Anyway, surely one can be in favour of Brexit and at the same time acknowledge that it has brouught issues.

[naomi24]

//Whereas pre-Brexit, cars were typically waved through.//

A little anecdote about the fate that befell one eager French border guard. A friend travelling back to the UK from Germany quite late at night was stopped at Calais to have her car searched. Having a baby of only a few months on board who had been crying much of the journey but had just nodded off into peaceful slumber, she practically begged the man not to disturb him. 'Nope! Out you get madam whilst I rummage through your belongings' - or words to that effect. Baby now awake and screaming again, she said she watched - silently - as the man plunged his hand into a carrier bag containing all the dirty nappies and wipes.

Yes, cars were stopped before Brexit.

[FatticusInch]

gulliver1
//There is none so blind as those that do not want to see.
All this chaos is caused because you listened to an Idiot saying" lets get Brexit done " and you were.//

In all honesty, that right there is the crux of it, can’t argue against it!

[JDavis]

Are Brexiteers now shifting their argument from 'It has nothing to do
with Brexit' to 'Yes, it is because of Brexit but it's not our fault'?

[bobbinwales]

Its not about Brexit. Its about the French providing proper resources to do what ever checks they are choosing to do.... which there clearly not doing and its part of a pattern of being uncooperative (yes partly because of there unhappy we chose to leave EU and EU wants to discorage others from thinking of leaving but theres been issues for much longer with the French such as over fishing and turning a blind eye to migrants at Calais).

[New Judge]

//NJ

So we don't have control of our borders after all. And it's never our fault.//

What’s being discussed here are not our borders. They are French borders.

//But the French are allowed to police their own borders however they wish..//

Indeed they are. If the French want to deter visitors from one of their most important sources of tourism that’s entirely their affair and it demonstrates that their ideology has overcome their pragmatism. It’s unfortunate that also mixed up in this are people who have to cross the Channel as part of their work (lorry drivers, etc.)

//…If you don't like it, don't go to France.//

And that’s the answer – for those who can. I stopped visiting France (which I used to do about three or four times a year) about fifteen years ago. This was because the French authorities did nothing to prevent vast numbers of illegal migrants roaming around Calais, frightening the horses and breaking into tourists’ cars whilst they were spending money in restaurants in the town. The final straw came when I was in the port of Calais and it was “steamed” by about 500 migrants intent on storming a ferry.

As far as passports being stamped goes, it was not at the insistence of the UK but the UK government encourages it. UK citizens are now limited in the amount of time they can spend in the EU and, although an electronic recording system is available to record how long any individual spends there, many countries in the EU do not use it. Other “normal” countries stamp visitors’ passports on arrival and departure and, generally, they manage to staff their borders sufficiently. As Khandro mentions, travellers from the UK have always required passports to enter France. The fact that the French occasionally didn’t trouble to look at them is part of the problem here. They’ve moved from not looking at them at all when they should have done so, to having to look at them and stamp them. If the UK declined to have French border facilities increased in Dover, the French should have expanded their facilities in Calais. Border control into France lies within their bailiwick, not ours.

The outcome of this is that, over time, facilities in Belgium and Holland will almost certainly accommodate additional traffic from the UK and I imagine the ports of Antwerp and Rotterdam will act a little more pragmatically than the idealistic French. Meantime cross-Channel travellers will have to put up with French inadequacies.

//All this chaos is caused because you listened to an Idiot…//

Just for the record, nobody – idiot or otherwise and certainly not any politicians – influenced my vote in the referendum.

[FatticusInch]

Backs up what Gulliver says.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1551138151934066688?t=XHVdNDEWiptSTcDAeSP8dQ&s=08

[ichkeria]

“Its about the French providing proper resources to do what ever checks they are choosing to do.... which there clearly not doing”

Resources to man the checks which previously weren’t needed

[New Judge]

And I've never paid attention to drivel posted on Twitter either.

[FatticusInch]

New Judge
//And I've never paid attention to drivel posted on Twitter either.//

Sent to me via a WhatsApp group.
You ought to have a look at it New Judge, it’s clips of Johnson and government ministers telling us there will be absolutely no problems at Dover as a result of Brexit.
Give it a go, it’ll enlighten you. Maybe you’ll even take issue with some of it?
It’ll certainly help with your woolly thinking.

[FatticusInch]

Here you go, no need to bother with Twitter.

[bobbinwales]

//Resources to man the checks which previously weren’t needed//
No need to make excuses for them. There there to provide a service. If they want to deter people from coming why dont they just say so instead of implying its our fault for voting Brexit. Brexits done so either staff the ports properly or say we dont want visitors from UK

[bobbinwales]

but those interviews with Boris, Raah, ReeceMogg etc where they say we'er not going to be checking and holding ip lorrys were right... its French and the EU whove chose to do the checks and underresource them to make a point

[FatticusInch]

Lol at Bobbinwales.
Do you know what supply and demand means?
The Dover Port CEO told the government 2 years ago that they’d need to double the amount of booths at the port.
He foresaw the issue Brexit would cause.
The government ignored him.

[bobbinwales]

Your missing the point.. its Frances job to resource it. End of

[JDavis]

Good clip, Fatticus. Either they were lying or completely deluded.

NJ 'Don't go to France then'. Wonderful solution - why didn't I think of that?

[JDavis]

bobbinwales.

You're ignoring all the evidence. And also, Brexit isn't done. We're trying to renege on the NI protocol which we negotiated. Or is that the fault of the French too?

[FatticusInch]

JDavis
//Good clip, Fatticus. Either they were lying or completely deluded.//

Events of the last 2 and a half years have proved it’s a 50/50 combination of both.

[Hymie]

The absolute disaster that Brexit is for the UK may be entering the consciousness of the general population (and a few politicians) a lot sooner than I was expecting.