Is This What Brexiteers Wanted?

[diddlydo]

Queues at Dover:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62263176

I wonder how many of those caught up in the queues voted for Brexit. We travelled to France dozens of times when we were in the EU and were never held up at French border control (which was often unmanned as it didn't need to check anything). I hopr Brexiteers are sent to the back of the queue.

[theshedman]

I struggle with the bit that was on the news that said only 6 of the 12 booths were open, no mention of the just 5 that you say which was over 2 years ago.

[maggiebee]

Pertinacious seems to be a good word to describe some posters on here. Mind you, I can be too.

[naomi24]

//Little Englanders all of them. //

Haha! Rather that than a little European, diddly.

What was it that nasty little control freak of a European said? Oh, I know ..... //Leave the EU and we’ll make your lives a misery//

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leave-eu-and-well-make-your-lives-a-misery-junckers-warning-to-britain-7h2k90t8g

They're doing their best. ;o)

[FatticusInch]

theshedman
//I struggle with the bit that was on the news that said only 6 of the 12 booths were open, no mention of the just 5 that you say which was over 2 years ago.//

You’re struggling with a lot today!
Not read anything about the 6-12 story but one side is claiming there was a problem in the Tunnel when the other claims there wasn’t or that it was very minor.
I guess I’m struggling too with who to believe when the problem was forecast by the CEO of Dover Port some 2 years ago and the government ignored him.
It’s a quandary isn’t it?

[FatticusInch]

Lord Ricketts assessment on Sky News.

Delays at Dover 'will be the new normal'
Lord Ricketts, a former ambassador to France, has this morning warned that long delays at the Port of Dover "will be the new normal" after Brexit.
He told the Observer that the delays were an unavoidable outcome of the UK's decision to leave the European Union - and the bureaucracy it created.
"The long-term, serious issue is that this is the first time we've seen the full pressure on the border after Brexit. Even if it was a full complement of the French border force there would still be massive delays, because Dover port can't cope with the volume.
"The underlying reality is that no matter how many they have, given the size of the port, given the fact that the government failed to invest in expanding the facilities, it is going to be like this – this will be the new normal."

Fairly honest appraisal yet gloomy forecast, best we get used to it.

[Khandro]

The British passport has now to be stamped to enter a Schengen area because of the 90 day rule. The British passport has ALWAYS had to be opened & examined because the UK has never been in Schengen.

The added time to stamp it from examining it would take, I estimate, 1 second, that's about the time it takes the world over to stamp a passport.

That has not been the problem for these delays.

[FatticusInch]

Khandro,
Go back in the thread and look at why it’s not a simple matter of just stamping, far more bureaucracy to it, that we insisted on as a result of Brexit.

[Gromit]

// I estimate, 1 second, that's about the time it takes the world over to stamp a passport. //

That sounds like a very bad estimate.

[FatticusInch]

Simon Calder, the BBC Travel correspondent said yesterday that prior to Brexit it might take a family of 4 some 45 seconds for a passport check.
Following the rules post-Brexit now means it’s double that, hence the delays.
Couple that with half the number of booths required, as forecast by the Dover CEO and you have the current situation.

[andres]

As well as checking your passport do people still have to have negative Covid test papers checked? If they do then it will add to the time delays.

[theshedman]

Can anyone tell me why it is they now stamp our passports when going to the EU. Before we joined the EU I travelled to Europe a number of times and never had my passport stamped.

[davebro]

//Can anyone tell me why it is they now stamp our passports when going to the EU. Before we joined the EU I travelled to Europe a number of times and never had my passport stamped.//

Dunno for sure but maybe because the EU has imposed those rules on its members?

[Khandro]

Gromit //// I estimate, 1 second, that's about the time it takes the world over to stamp a passport. //

That sounds like a very bad estimate. //

How long do you estimate it takes to utilise an automatic stamper?

[Khandro]

shedman, It's now because of the 90 day stay rule, after that time a visa is required.
Few people want to stay longer the 90 days though.

[davebro]

I wonder how many of the remainers agonising over Brexit didn't bother to vote. Only got themselves to blame if it didn't go how they wanted.

[gulliver1]

There is none so blind as those that do not want to see.
All this chaos is caused because you listened to an Idiot saying" lets get Brexit done " and you were.

[Ellipsis]

Khandro, your estimates are ridiculous! People have actually measured it and for a typical car containing 3 or 4 people (average is 3.5) to pull up to a stop, hand over the passports, have them stamped, get them back and drive off out of the way so that the next car can do the same is 80 to 90 seconds. Whereas pre-Brexit, cars were typically waved through.

[ToraToraTora]

Elipsis: "Whereas pre-Brexit, cars were typically waved through. " - they can wave them through now, if they want to, nothing has really changed except the French are being arsey because we left their club.

[Khandro]

Ellipsis; //Whereas pre-Brexit, cars were typically waved through.//

That is absurdly untrue, have you ever driven through the Dover terminal by car en route to France? the answer must be NO.

Cars have never been "waved through", pre or post Brexit

[THECORBYLOON]

What like are the queues at the British border control at Calais and how many booths do they have?