Corporal Punishment In Schools

[tiggerblue10]

What are your thoughts on this and would you be happy to see it introduced in the UK?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/25/missouri-school-district-reinstates-spanking

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // 'What's next - children in cotton mills and up chimneys?'

That's a bit of a leap, Andy. //

I'm not so sure it is.

Start on this slope, and it gets very slippery very quickly.

[Gromit]

ZM
The General Strike was in 1926, a quarter of a century after Victoria had died.

[andy-hughes]

Sqad - // Corporal punishment was the method then......and somebody decided it didn't work........abolishment is now and certainly isn't working and now someone has suggested that we go back to square one. //

Corporal punishment didn't work, so we abolished it, and that 'didn't work' so let's bring it back?

Is that so it can fail to work again?

I like to think that in a civilised society, we are beyond thinking in such simple ill-founded terms.

There are more than two options available, and I believe that inflicting pain and humiliation as a method of stopping bad behaviour never worked in the past, and is never going to work in the future.

// Not a perfect solution ... //

No - it's not any solution, just a bigger problem.

[anneasquith]

Pupils dislike it obviously, the problem is that the person giving the punishment ‘ enjoys ‘ it a bit too much .!!!

[Zacs-Master]

Aplogies, jno.

Indeed the strike was a little after the Victorian era, Gromit (I'm sure it's you this time) but so severe will this winter be, it will feel Dickensian.

[Peter Pedant]

What's next - children in cotton mills and up chimneys?
erm

shouldnt this be "What's next - children back in cotton mills and up chimneys again?"

on very good side of things, they would require no accommodation, they sleep under the machines

[gness]

Sqad. We see more violence today because there are more people in our societies and perhaps because we are able to read more about it.

So teaching more children that violence is okay will result in more violence.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm not so sure it is.

Start on this slope, and it gets very slippery very quickly.

One school in Misouri (or even a few) introduce corporal punishment and we start building cotton factories again and burning coal?

Sounds great for the economy anyway!

But you'd better beware Greta Thunberg's reaction!!

[Peter Pedant]

carrying out orders after a good slapping or kicking.
well they all carried out order ( juldy juldy or hraus hraus) after a good beating in the concentration camps innit?

(OK guantanamo, hispanic kids detention camps)

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - One school in Misouri (or even a few) introduce corporal punishment and we start building cotton factories again and burning coal? //

One school is one school too many.

[Peter Pedant]

// But you'd better beware Greta Thunberg's reaction!!//
yeah foo
and if she says the wrong thing the answer is a good slap!

[Peter Pedant]

So teaching more children that violence is okay will result in more violence.
jesus worked OK in Japan and Germany in the thirties

[Zacs-Master]

'and if she says the wrong thing the answer is a good slap!'

For you or from you?

[Peter Pedant]

I hate correccting people in a serious discussion such as this:
isnt it abolition rather than abolishment

[Peter Pedant]

oh I dont mind being slapped so long as it is the right place ( er house, er location) and the right person
( and at my age, the riiiiiiiiight price - sigh)

[Zacs-Master]

Yeah, and only two 'c's' in correcting. Fooooo.

[pastafreak]

What happens when children hit back? I have a strong suspicion that many of today's generation would.

[ichkeria]

I look back on my school days and marvel at the casual violence meted out in class: from primary school teachers grabbing kids by the throat and shaking them, slapping them, nutting boys on the head with a knuckle, and whacking boys on the head with a pile of exercise books.
Set against that, paddling seems almost civliised, but it doesn't feel right to me, much as I smpathise with some of the thinking behind it.

[tiggerblue10]

That's what I was thinking, Pasta. Many of the kids today would have no hesitation in hitting back.

[goodgoalie]

In Scotland, schools had something known as 'the belt': a thick leather strap applied with force on the outstretched palm of the hand, with the other hand underneath for support. I had it several times, once five times from the headmaster for not getting my hair cut.
Once while still in primary school I got it twice for failing in my homework in some way, and it was so sore it caused me to *** myself, there in my short trousers in front of the class; and I can still vividly remember trying not to cry as I made my way back to my seat, red-faced, my hands stinging and my legs already beginning to chap. Brutal.