Is This Rishi’s Problem?

[sp1814]

https://twitter.com/lktranslator/status/1583882315360768000?s=46&t=R84BhAU7zvA3MYZVL-KRhg

Or is this Tory voter unrepresentative?

[ToraToraTora]

Good point spungle!

[sp1814]

spungle

Kinda - they have a diversity of race / sex, but Truss’ government were the most indiverse (probably not a word) breadth of ideology. They’re all from the right / ERG / free market end of the party.

[FatticusInch]

Controversial that Sp1814!
Some will be along shortly no doubt with calls for you to be banned/apologise blah, blah, blah…….

[FatticusInch]

Davebro will even be shocked that you’ve made such unfounded accusations with no basis…..

[Spungle]

What a load of horlicks, sp1814. The tories gave us Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch, Sajid Javid, Rishi Sunak, Kwasi Kwarteng- Chancellors, Home Secretaries, Business Secretaries, the highest posts in the land bar PM- cast your aspersions if you wish, but those are facts. Labour's white knight Sir Keir and his team can point their bleached fingers all they like.

[tomus42]

The caller was an idiot, but I suspect there are alot like him in the Tory membership. That means if it's decided by them Johnson will likely win, irrespective of how many MPs would prefer Sunak.

Result, two years (maximum) of chaos, then they're gone.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "I don’t think the chap in the link is representative - but there IS an element within the party who absolutely have an issue with Sunak because of his race. " - what is your evidence for that? In my experience especially on here it's the lefties that introduce racism into any discussion.

[sp1814]

spungle

Out of all those ministers you mention, how many were put into those positions be Tory membership? And how many were promoted by the PM’s office?

[royfromaus]

It's smashing that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch represent the right wing of the party.

[sp1814]

TTT

Of course there’s an element in the Tory party that have a problem with Sunak because of his race.

Unless the Tory party is 100% full of voters who are completely colour blind.

And do you think that “lefties” (to use your reductive phrasing) bring up racism because they recognise and want to tackle bigotry rather than turning a blind eye?

[FatticusInch]

royfromaus
//It's smashing that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch represent the right wing of the party.//

I thought about that too, then realised that they weren’t any different to the self-serving sycophants who 10 weeks ago told Boris to resign, only to practically get the red carpet out for him at Gatwick yesterday.
Bilious.

[ToraToraTora]

SP, No doubt there are some racists in the party but it's the sheer hatred of the left "all tories are scum" types that override that. I can tell you that in all my meetings and associations over a life time of activism I've never heard race as a reason against anyone. Look at the Tory front bench of late, look at the labour one.

[royfromaus]

Don't forget that many lefties call black/Asian Tories coconuts and racial gatekeepers. (other insults are available)
Why?
Because they have the temerity to think for themselves.

[sp1814]

TTT

“ I can tell you that in all my meetings and associations over a life time of activism I've never heard race as a reason against anyone.”

Well good for you.

Perhaps racism is imagined, like antisemitism in the Labour Party?

[tomus42]

The racism thing is a red herring. Boris Johnson is more popular with Tory members not because Sunak is Brown, but because they've fallen for Johnson's 'charm'.

He's not nearly as popular with those that have actually had to work with him, e.g the MPs.

[sp1814]

royfromaus

You know I could easily counter that right?

You’ve been on Twitter recently to have a look at comments aimed at say, David Lammy right?

[FatticusInch]

…..yet someone accused me of racism when I mentioned that the Tory Party might use the term ‘ethnic chappie’ yesterday(along with all the feigned outrage and accusations) whilst someone uses that inflammatory slur?
Diabolical.

[royfromaus]

So you only want to talk about potentially racist Tory voters then, sp.

How shocked am I?

[Old_Geezer]

No of course it's not. Although there are many individuals and nations that would like to pretend it is.

The caller was clearly not skilled at discussion and allowed himself to be painted into a corner by the very badly worded arguments he, himself made. Presumably he is used to his mates at the pub not contradicting him as the presenter did.

The suspicion must be that the caller was racist, he certainly appeared to be so, but folk are entitled to their views, we don't have thought police; and the crux of what he seemed to be trying to say should have been given more attention rather than what foolishly and thoughtlessly he actually said; which seems to have been that he doesn't trust Rishi's loyalty due to his having a green card that he eventually gave up in order to remain credible, and his track record as Chancellor during the pandemic.

To be honest his view is certainly a minority one and possibly the reason he was chosen for the debate,in an effort to try to paint all non-Rishi supporters as racist.

Personally I think that discussion did no one, nor any group, any favours; it painted the Brits in a bad light, and caused more issues than had they chosen a more accomplished individual on to speak on why they weren't supporting Rishi.

[Paigntonian]

Tory MPs and Tory Party members are not racist. There may be a few but no more than in other organisations. Labour has, at least in recent years, been antisemitic and provably so.