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//The RN are not interested.//
The RN will do what they are bloody well told!
unlike the Russian Army in Ukraine - where the whole army is apparently - deserting forward ( giving themselves up) deserting back ( and gettinng shot)
1918 - Lenin - vote in the Russian Army, the Army has voted with its feet....
The RN will do what they are bloody well told!
unlike the Russian Army in Ukraine - where the whole army is apparently - deserting forward ( giving themselves up) deserting back ( and gettinng shot)
1918 - Lenin - vote in the Russian Army, the Army has voted with its feet....
//Easy thing to say isn’t it? But try to pin down anyone who says it regarding the actual logistics and who pays and……//
You asked three questions a few days ago about these “logistics”, Zacs. I answered them and as far as I can recall none of my answers was outside the realms of feasibility.
//The RN are not interested.//
As davebro says, the Royal Navy is not an autonomous organisation. It operates under the command of the Sovereign (who is their Commander -in-Chief) who in turn delegates that power to the Prime Minister. In short, the Royal Navy does what it’s told, whether they are interested or not.
//Are you not bothered about fatalities, not bothered about wee ones drowning?//
Not to put too fine a point on it, no. Anybody setting out in a vessel totally unsuited to the task in order to land on territory where they have no right of entry is acting illegally in a number of ways. If they take children with them that aggravated the offences.
//Very glib to say ‘we’ll pay for it’. What, without knowing what that cost is?//
Nobody knows the cost of accommodating those arriving (because nobody knows how many will pitch up). It’s simply paid for as it arises. And that is costing far more than returning those same people to France by one method or another.
//No government will do anything rash or radical (as is required) in these financially and politically troubled times.//
I absolutely agree, Zacs, except for one small point. The cost of dealing with this properly is not an issue. The cost of dealing with the illegals once they are here far, far exceeds the cost of patrolling the Channel and returning clandestine arrivals. But you are right – no UK government will do what is required. I’m not really sure why this is. They seem to be far more concerned with the rights of those arriving here illegally than they are with the effect the arrivals are having on those already here. The vast majority of people crossing the Channel are not vulnerable and are not fleeing for their lives. They were living in France and they want to come to the UK because it affords them a more agreeable life. It’s unfortunate that the UK is not capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff in a timely manner but we can’t and there’s no reason why we should be compelled to do so. The only solution is to declare that this country is closed to asylum applications for the foreseeable future.
You asked three questions a few days ago about these “logistics”, Zacs. I answered them and as far as I can recall none of my answers was outside the realms of feasibility.
//The RN are not interested.//
As davebro says, the Royal Navy is not an autonomous organisation. It operates under the command of the Sovereign (who is their Commander -in-Chief) who in turn delegates that power to the Prime Minister. In short, the Royal Navy does what it’s told, whether they are interested or not.
//Are you not bothered about fatalities, not bothered about wee ones drowning?//
Not to put too fine a point on it, no. Anybody setting out in a vessel totally unsuited to the task in order to land on territory where they have no right of entry is acting illegally in a number of ways. If they take children with them that aggravated the offences.
//Very glib to say ‘we’ll pay for it’. What, without knowing what that cost is?//
Nobody knows the cost of accommodating those arriving (because nobody knows how many will pitch up). It’s simply paid for as it arises. And that is costing far more than returning those same people to France by one method or another.
//No government will do anything rash or radical (as is required) in these financially and politically troubled times.//
I absolutely agree, Zacs, except for one small point. The cost of dealing with this properly is not an issue. The cost of dealing with the illegals once they are here far, far exceeds the cost of patrolling the Channel and returning clandestine arrivals. But you are right – no UK government will do what is required. I’m not really sure why this is. They seem to be far more concerned with the rights of those arriving here illegally than they are with the effect the arrivals are having on those already here. The vast majority of people crossing the Channel are not vulnerable and are not fleeing for their lives. They were living in France and they want to come to the UK because it affords them a more agreeable life. It’s unfortunate that the UK is not capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff in a timely manner but we can’t and there’s no reason why we should be compelled to do so. The only solution is to declare that this country is closed to asylum applications for the foreseeable future.
They won’t do anything, NJ because the power hungry shysters careers are balanced on a knife edge.
‘ The cost of dealing with the illegals once they are here far, far exceeds the cost of patrolling the Channel and returning clandestine arrivals.’
Not sure how you know that when you don’t know what the cost of ‘mopping them up’ and returning them is.
‘ The cost of dealing with the illegals once they are here far, far exceeds the cost of patrolling the Channel and returning clandestine arrivals.’
Not sure how you know that when you don’t know what the cost of ‘mopping them up’ and returning them is.
//Not sure how you know that when you don’t know what the cost of ‘mopping them up’ and returning them is.//
Well let's take a stab. The current hotel bill for the new arrivals (and that's just a miniscule part of the total cost of accepting them) is £50m a week. We already have a navy, the cost of which is met whether they do nothing or something useful. How much more than £50m do you think it would cost to charter a weekly ferry or two to return the migrants (including a bit extra for administration and security)? Add to this the fact that this would be the surest way of ensuring that the problem diminishes and I cannot see how this strategy can possibly cost more than dealing with the migrants if they are allowed to stay.
In any case, the question is a red herring because no concern is raised about the cost of continuing the way we are. It's simply a given that it will be financed regardless. So if the cost of an alternative strategy is greater that should be financed regardless too.
Well let's take a stab. The current hotel bill for the new arrivals (and that's just a miniscule part of the total cost of accepting them) is £50m a week. We already have a navy, the cost of which is met whether they do nothing or something useful. How much more than £50m do you think it would cost to charter a weekly ferry or two to return the migrants (including a bit extra for administration and security)? Add to this the fact that this would be the surest way of ensuring that the problem diminishes and I cannot see how this strategy can possibly cost more than dealing with the migrants if they are allowed to stay.
In any case, the question is a red herring because no concern is raised about the cost of continuing the way we are. It's simply a given that it will be financed regardless. So if the cost of an alternative strategy is greater that should be financed regardless too.
//Seems straight forward. While they are "guests" in our country, any illegal activity, no matter how minor, gets them a one way ticket home.//
Oh dear! Do you think our police, justice system & home office have the capacity to do that?
And without ID cards (none of them will carry identification papers when out & about as it's not a legal requirement) the cops have there hands tied when it comes to arrest & detention for minor offences.
The only solution is to stop the influx (another "i" word).
Oh dear! Do you think our police, justice system & home office have the capacity to do that?
And without ID cards (none of them will carry identification papers when out & about as it's not a legal requirement) the cops have there hands tied when it comes to arrest & detention for minor offences.
The only solution is to stop the influx (another "i" word).
I keep hearing more & more discontent among the 'natives', but no one seems to do anything they say:
A nearby town has a much loved & used sports centre (paid for from local taxes - natch) but it has been filled with immigrants. When for example, the local football team play, - like today, they cannot use the changing rooms or showers and have to use their cars & go home unwashed & muddy.
No one in authority it seems, dares to tell the immigrants that they can't use the facilities at certain times. Madness!
A nearby town has a much loved & used sports centre (paid for from local taxes - natch) but it has been filled with immigrants. When for example, the local football team play, - like today, they cannot use the changing rooms or showers and have to use their cars & go home unwashed & muddy.
No one in authority it seems, dares to tell the immigrants that they can't use the facilities at certain times. Madness!
//‘ How much more than £50m do you think it would cost to charter a weekly ferry or two to return the migrants (including a bit extra for administration and security)?’ //
Dunno, but a ticket for a foot passenger Dover to Calais costs about £30. For the 12000 arivals from Albania that works out at £360,000. Add a bit for transport to the port and security - doubt that would come to anything like £50 million.
Dunno, but a ticket for a foot passenger Dover to Calais costs about £30. For the 12000 arivals from Albania that works out at £360,000. Add a bit for transport to the port and security - doubt that would come to anything like £50 million.
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