ChatterBank6 mins ago
Yet Another Brexit Disaster
Apparently thousand of postal packages per day are being returned from Ireland (to GB) for not having the required digital codes added to the package, allowing their tax status to be identified.
The EU rules (known as Customs 2020) are required on postal items arriving from outside the EU; these rules were first implemented by Ireland, but are due to come into force across the whole of the EU next month.
Although this will affect many private citizens sending items to family & friends - small businesses will be hit hardest with non-delivery of orders, ultimately with those in Europe seeking alternate suppliers (not from within GB).
Remember the Brexiteers telling us red-tape would be reduced following Brexit?
The EU rules (known as Customs 2020) are required on postal items arriving from outside the EU; these rules were first implemented by Ireland, but are due to come into force across the whole of the EU next month.
Although this will affect many private citizens sending items to family & friends - small businesses will be hit hardest with non-delivery of orders, ultimately with those in Europe seeking alternate suppliers (not from within GB).
Remember the Brexiteers telling us red-tape would be reduced following Brexit?
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Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I read through the first four pages (of 16) of the document you provided. I scanned through the next four and decided that life was somewhat too short to bother with the rest. If ever there was a perfect example of why this country was best out of the EU, this is it. Sixteen pages of unadulterated EU-speak. Although I did not examine 75% of the document in any detail, it seemed more to be a “project plan” together with details of how much of the EU budget would be allocated to the scheme.
Since the document you supplied is of no use whatsoever in explaining the problems you say have just become apparent, I’ve done a bit of research myself and I found this document, issued by Royal Mail:
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Its opening paragraphs says this:
“If you are sending an item to Ireland via the Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) VAT scheme, with an HS code where the first 6 digits relate to a chapter or heading in the table below, please be aware these are restricted by Irish Customs and will be returned to sender.”
Is this what you are now warning us about in your latest edition of “Brexit Disasters”? If so, the above document has been applicable since November last year and I imagine all individuals or businesses who regularly send stuff to Ireland are aware of it. Those who are not should make sure they are because similar schemes exist when sending goods to most normal countries across the world.
//Very helpful advice posted in this thread from Brexiteers, to those running a small business relying on exports to within the EU.//
They’re very welcome. It was obvious that when the UK left the EU, that rules which the EU applies to non-member states would apply to the UK. Quite why anybody thought otherwise is difficult to say. If it’s because they believed what politicians told them then they were foolish. Why you keep on highlighting what was bleeding obvious - especially when you announce it as a startling, recently discovered fact - is similarly puzzling.
Since the document you supplied is of no use whatsoever in explaining the problems you say have just become apparent, I’ve done a bit of research myself and I found this document, issued by Royal Mail:
https:/
Its opening paragraphs says this:
“If you are sending an item to Ireland via the Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) VAT scheme, with an HS code where the first 6 digits relate to a chapter or heading in the table below, please be aware these are restricted by Irish Customs and will be returned to sender.”
Is this what you are now warning us about in your latest edition of “Brexit Disasters”? If so, the above document has been applicable since November last year and I imagine all individuals or businesses who regularly send stuff to Ireland are aware of it. Those who are not should make sure they are because similar schemes exist when sending goods to most normal countries across the world.
//Very helpful advice posted in this thread from Brexiteers, to those running a small business relying on exports to within the EU.//
They’re very welcome. It was obvious that when the UK left the EU, that rules which the EU applies to non-member states would apply to the UK. Quite why anybody thought otherwise is difficult to say. If it’s because they believed what politicians told them then they were foolish. Why you keep on highlighting what was bleeding obvious - especially when you announce it as a startling, recently discovered fact - is similarly puzzling.
The penny may drop, Hymie but it'll take some time. Living where we do we shop more online now. Much came from the UK. Difficulties Brexit caused stopped that. Like many here now we buy from Germany and France.
Royal Mail and the Post Office should be ashamed of themselves. Not being able or willing to help people prepare for the new rules is shocking.
I doubt many who voted leave are aware of what is happening to businesses. Scotland had a thriving seed potato market, one of the biggest in the world, worth I believe, about £122 million a year. Brexit has been a disaster for those farmers who worked and invested for years to build their businesses. That is only one example.
Irish farmers, very early, were aware of what was go happen and invested, with government help, to prepare to fill the gap. It's going well but I'm still saddened by what is happening to UK businesses.
Brexit does have benefits. Just not for the UK.
Royal Mail and the Post Office should be ashamed of themselves. Not being able or willing to help people prepare for the new rules is shocking.
I doubt many who voted leave are aware of what is happening to businesses. Scotland had a thriving seed potato market, one of the biggest in the world, worth I believe, about £122 million a year. Brexit has been a disaster for those farmers who worked and invested for years to build their businesses. That is only one example.
Irish farmers, very early, were aware of what was go happen and invested, with government help, to prepare to fill the gap. It's going well but I'm still saddened by what is happening to UK businesses.
Brexit does have benefits. Just not for the UK.
daveinscotland, here is my list of Brexit benefits that I have compiled, you might like to compare it with yours:-
- Blue passports
- The Crown Mark on pub glasses
- Mobile phone companies able to make roaming charges
(when using your phone in mainland Europe)
- Killing our honey-bees with EU banned pesticides
- Not having to insure ride-on lawnmowers used on private land
- Signage within Dartford tunnel spaced at yardage distances
(in round numbers)
- The freedom to release as much raw sewage as we like into our rivers and coastal waters (and doing so), without fear of being prosecuted by the European Commission
- Un-capped bonuses permitted to be paid to our bankers
With regards the first two benefits these were announced by Boris Johnson, but Buenchico has claimed that there was nothing stopping the UK having blue passports or the crown mark on pub glasses while we were in the EU. So you have to ask yourself who do you believe, Boris Johnson or Buenchico?
The third benefit is only applicable if you are the CEO of a mobile phone company.
The signage within Dartford tunnel benefit was announced by Reece-mogg.
The last time our bankers were encouraged to make risky investment decisions, it cost the UK tax payer the order of £33 billion, so might not turn out to be a benefit after all.
- Blue passports
- The Crown Mark on pub glasses
- Mobile phone companies able to make roaming charges
(when using your phone in mainland Europe)
- Killing our honey-bees with EU banned pesticides
- Not having to insure ride-on lawnmowers used on private land
- Signage within Dartford tunnel spaced at yardage distances
(in round numbers)
- The freedom to release as much raw sewage as we like into our rivers and coastal waters (and doing so), without fear of being prosecuted by the European Commission
- Un-capped bonuses permitted to be paid to our bankers
With regards the first two benefits these were announced by Boris Johnson, but Buenchico has claimed that there was nothing stopping the UK having blue passports or the crown mark on pub glasses while we were in the EU. So you have to ask yourself who do you believe, Boris Johnson or Buenchico?
The third benefit is only applicable if you are the CEO of a mobile phone company.
The signage within Dartford tunnel benefit was announced by Reece-mogg.
The last time our bankers were encouraged to make risky investment decisions, it cost the UK tax payer the order of £33 billion, so might not turn out to be a benefit after all.
Don't worry for us gness me old china, worry for yourself when they start hiking your dues now one of the countries that paid for it has left. Ireland did well, now it's payback time. Oh and expect ever more creeping federalisation. British rule will be a walk in the park compared to what you have coming. You should not believe all the project fear guff and the poltroonery, we'll be fine we always are.
Remind me again who voted for this?
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Tell me again how Brexit is working out for us?
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Tell me again how Brexit is working out for us?
//Did you vote?//
Since I’d been waiting for the opportunity to do so since 1992, nothing other than my death would have prevented me from doing so.
//Royal Mail and the Post Office should be ashamed of themselves. Not being able or willing to help people prepare for the new rules is shocking.//
There’s plenty of information on the Royal Mail website that does just that. I posted one document above.
//Scotland had a thriving seed potato market, one of the biggest in the world, worth I believe, about £122 million a year. Brexit has been a disaster for those farmers who worked and invested for years to build their businesses.//
It’s very apposite that you should mention the Scottish seed potato business. It is a perfect example of the EU Commission’s intransigence (not my word, as you will see below). It seems the ban on exports from the UK is hitting EU farmers just as much, if not more than their Scottish counterparts:
https:/
“The Republic of Ireland used to take more than 5,000t a year of Scotland’s 25-30,000t annual seed potato exports – product that is valued because of its freedom from diseases found elsewhere in Europe. Europatat therefore called on MEPs and the EU Commission to “break the deadlock” and resume the two-way trade in seed potatoes.”
“But the Commission was adamant that the ban should stay in place, to keep potential disease out of the EU.”
“A [Scottish] spokesman said the UK and EU continued to operate to the same standards as each other, so the impasse was purely political.”
“Although no vote was taken at the meeting [stand by for the reason why], it was clear from the floor that MEPs are keen for the two sides to find a solution.”
“A number of MEPs, including from Ireland, Belgium and Germany, accused the commission of being “over-zealous”…”
“NFU Scotland crops policy manager David Michie said the Commission’s intransigence [there’s the word] was frustrating. “We were pleased to see the broad support for a solution from both MEPs and the European NFU. …The Commission’s intransigence was frustrating.”
“We were pleased to see the broad support for a solution from both MEPs and the European potato industry, but the sticking point is the Commission,” he said.
There is no earthly reason why Scottish seed potatoes should not be exported to the EU. They are disease free (more so than some from elsewhere in Europe, it seems) and everybody (bar the EU Commission) seems to want the trade resumed. It is purely a political move to reinforce the EU Commission’s mantra “You do it our way, or you don’t do it at all - even if everybody else (including your elected representatives in the EU "Parliament") wants it.” And you wonder why people voted to leave.
Since I’d been waiting for the opportunity to do so since 1992, nothing other than my death would have prevented me from doing so.
//Royal Mail and the Post Office should be ashamed of themselves. Not being able or willing to help people prepare for the new rules is shocking.//
There’s plenty of information on the Royal Mail website that does just that. I posted one document above.
//Scotland had a thriving seed potato market, one of the biggest in the world, worth I believe, about £122 million a year. Brexit has been a disaster for those farmers who worked and invested for years to build their businesses.//
It’s very apposite that you should mention the Scottish seed potato business. It is a perfect example of the EU Commission’s intransigence (not my word, as you will see below). It seems the ban on exports from the UK is hitting EU farmers just as much, if not more than their Scottish counterparts:
https:/
“The Republic of Ireland used to take more than 5,000t a year of Scotland’s 25-30,000t annual seed potato exports – product that is valued because of its freedom from diseases found elsewhere in Europe. Europatat therefore called on MEPs and the EU Commission to “break the deadlock” and resume the two-way trade in seed potatoes.”
“But the Commission was adamant that the ban should stay in place, to keep potential disease out of the EU.”
“A [Scottish] spokesman said the UK and EU continued to operate to the same standards as each other, so the impasse was purely political.”
“Although no vote was taken at the meeting [stand by for the reason why], it was clear from the floor that MEPs are keen for the two sides to find a solution.”
“A number of MEPs, including from Ireland, Belgium and Germany, accused the commission of being “over-zealous”…”
“NFU Scotland crops policy manager David Michie said the Commission’s intransigence [there’s the word] was frustrating. “We were pleased to see the broad support for a solution from both MEPs and the European NFU. …The Commission’s intransigence was frustrating.”
“We were pleased to see the broad support for a solution from both MEPs and the European potato industry, but the sticking point is the Commission,” he said.
There is no earthly reason why Scottish seed potatoes should not be exported to the EU. They are disease free (more so than some from elsewhere in Europe, it seems) and everybody (bar the EU Commission) seems to want the trade resumed. It is purely a political move to reinforce the EU Commission’s mantra “You do it our way, or you don’t do it at all - even if everybody else (including your elected representatives in the EU "Parliament") wants it.” And you wonder why people voted to leave.
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