Gary Glitter Released

[lankeela]

after serving 8 of his 16 year sentence - do you think he could resurrect his music career? I still enjoy his records and would probably go to a gig if he did one locally. Or do you think he should be permanently outcast?

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - I have no problem differing with you regarding my view on separating the art from the artist.

But at no time have I 'defended' Gary Glitter in any way shape or form.

Your statement that I have is incorrect, and you should withdraw it.

As for an apology, please don't imagine that I am so keen for you to do what is morally right, that I will bargain with you to persuade you.

It's nothing like important enough, and my apologies are like my position on art and artists, mine to decide.

[Zacs-Master]

There’s a massive difference between defending a paedophile and believing that he is somehow separate from his musical abilities, AH.
Your views are weird to say the least.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // here’s a massive difference between defending a paedophile and believing that he is somehow separate from his musical abilities, AH.
Your views are weird to say the least. //

None taken.

We can agree to differ, except I am not being rude to you because you see the situation differently from me.

[Mozz71]

You seem to be deliberately ignoring what I've now said repeatedly. I never accused you of defending Glitter's paedophilia, I said that I believed your belief that those actions should be ignored when listening to his music to be indefensible.

[Zacs-Master]

Be as rude as you like, Andy. There’s a tsunami of opinion against your esoteric views. As usual

[gness]

You have nothing to apologise to Andy for, Mozz.
I never liked Glitter, he was sleazy. If I had and had paid for his music or gigs I'd have been disappointed that I'd funded his depravity.

If I continued to play his music or was prepared to go to a gig I'd be too ashamed of myself to admit it.

[Barsel]

Is this the sort of thing you like Andy?

Do you wanna touch? Yeah! Do you wanna touch? Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah!
Do you wanna touch? Yeah! Do you wanna touch? Yeah!
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There! Yeah! Oh!

[Zacs-Master]

To be fair, barsel, those lyrics are no worse than many in the 70s and beyond

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // I said that I believed your belief that those actions should be ignored when listening to his music to be indefensible. //

I never said his actions should be 'ignored' - once again you are seeing something that is not there in anything I have posted.

What I said, is what I have always said, and I am happy to repeat it since you missed it the first time around -

I believe that it is possible to separate the artist from the art.

That doesn't mean that I listen to Gary Glitter records and close my eyes to his actions.

What it does mean, is that because he has been found out to be an odious reptile of a human being does not, to me, diminish the enjoyment I find in listening to his records.

Now as I pointed out in my first post - that doesn't mean that millions of people around the world don't enjoy the music of Wagner, even though he was a profound anti-Semite.

Similarly, millions of people still laugh at the films of Charlie Chaplin, also fond of sex with under-age girls.

Or the films of Roam Polanski - convicted paedophile also.

Mel Gibson - convicted spouse abuser and anti'Semite
Bruno Mars - drug abuse
Jay-Zee - imprisoned for stabbing a man
Mike Tyson - convicted rapist
Cheryl Cole - convicted of assault

Just because Gary Glitter happens to be the most high-profile abuser does not make his music anything less than it has always been - you like it or you don't.

I absolutely accept that my view is not everyone's, but it is mine, and I am entitled to it, and not to have you arbitrarily decide, on no evidence whatsoever, that I defend Gary Glitter, or any of the above list - I don't.

I never have.

[Mozz71]

Thanks gness. I have no intention of apologising, as I said nothing I don't still stand by. Was just a little perplexed by Andy's continued misreading of my posts.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // Be as rude as you like, Andy. //

That would reduce me to your level - I'll pass thanks.

// There’s a tsunami of opinion against your esoteric views. As usual //

I have no problem with that - only people accusing me of something I have not said.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Thanks gness. I have no intention of apologising, as I said nothing I don't still stand by. //

Snap!

// Was just a little perplexed by Andy's continued misreading of my posts. //

And snap again!!

[Barsel]

I know Zacs but we're not discussing them and to be fair, we don't know if they were sex offenders.

[andy-hughes]

Barsel - // I know Zacs but we're not discussing them and to be fair, we don't know if they were sex offenders. //

Personally, I don't operate a sliding scale of how much I dislike any artists work based on how heinous I think their particular offence is.

[Barsel]

No I understand that Andy, I do understand what you are talking about as obviously this has happened in the case of Michael Jackson but I find that understandable as he did record some great records, but GG was just a fad in the glam rock era, probably has no talent at all. I'm just surprised that a man of your standing as far as music is concerned would ever have liked that sort of stuff.

[andy-hughes]

Barsel - // I'm just surprised that a man of your standing as far as music is concerned would ever have liked that sort of stuff. //

I try really hard not to be a music snob.

I don't always succeed, but I try.

I often find that I enjoy music that others find trite or pointless, and similarly I don;t like music that others think is the pinacle of artistry.

That means I think 'Saturday Night' by Whigfield is one of the best pop records I have ever heard, and Coldplay should be prevented from ever making any records ever again!!

That's part of the joy of art for me.

And although I am seriously in a minority, I don't allow the behaviour of any artist to stop me enjoying their art.

That is my only point on this thread - but you'd think I'd nominated Gary Glitter for a Grammy!!!!!

[Zacs-Master]

‘ Personally, I don't operate a sliding scale of how much I dislike any artists work based on how heinous I think their particular offence is’

And that’s why you’re receiving the comments you are.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - I an aware of that.

I have no problem with holding a different view, and arguing my case for it.

I simply object to people being rude to me, or suggesting that I would ever defend a convicted paedophile.

Other than that, no problem.

[Zacs-Master]

You’re not defending him but you’re supporting his career which facilitated his predatory predilections. Do you not see the connection?

[andy-hughes]

I haven't bought a Gary Glitter record for over forty-five years, how am I 'supporting' him in any way shape or firm?