Have The Tanks Arrived

[malagabob]

The tanks promised to Ukraine, have they been delivered.? Not something they would want broadcast openly for obvious reasons.
Maybe Russia has news. That’s why Putin is sending tactical to Belarus. Maybe another invasion from there.

[douglas9401]

Yes they have, at least from the UK and Germany.

[ichkeria]

Yes the challenger 2 tanks have arrived although I am not sure how many. There was talk of twice the original 18.
Germany had also sent its first 18 Leopard 2s.
The US is supposed to be speeding up its delivery of Abrams.
Additionally large numbers of US Bradley IFVs, Swedish C90s, French IFVs too tho the name escapes me.

[ichkeria]

There won’t be any Russian invasion from Belarus: they tried that last year and it ended in disaster. And that was with all their “best” forces.
All the talk of a big Russian offensive was as predicted misguided. Their “big offensive” started around January with largely disastrous assaults on places like Vuhledar and Avdiivka. And of course the interminable attempt to capture Bakhmut. Most of these efforts have now largely eased off.

[Peter Pedant]

these numbers are peanuts
There were 3000 tanks at Kursk ( 1943)
when Russia decisively defeated Germany and pointed to the end of the war

[ichkeria]

Numbers numbers

The Russians have already lost 3610 tanks in this war: they are now using 70 year old replacements in many cases.
I don't think anyone really knows how many western tanks will be sent to Ukraine, if you add up all the Leopard 1s 2s, etc.
My feeling is Ukraine doesn't yet have all it needs to launch a real shock and awe counteroffensive. Andthey really need better planes to drive the Russians out of the skies. The Russians are apparently now making greater use of guided aerial bombs, ones which "fly" to their targets and hence can be launched from further behind the lines. Why they did not do this earlier is a mystery you would think. The Ukrainians have also got a ground-launched version of the same thing - from the US and therefore a lot better.
Where any offensive will come is not known of course, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't down through the middle to Melitopol and the sea of Azov, to cut the "land bridge" to Crimea in half.

[bazwillrun]

"The Russians have already lost 3610 tanks in this war'

amazing how many defeats and losses the russkie appear to be having and have had but they are no closer to being defeated...Putin was supposedly on his last legs...i think theres a lot of porkie pies being told...and a lot of people seem to be using it for huge financial gain, vis a vis price rises...seems like it suits many for it to keep rumbling on...

[ichkeria]

Putin just keeps trundling on with his disastrous "special military operation" because what else can he do? he'll keep going and keep going until either someone removes him, or he removes himself.
So far in this war the russians have simply skeddadled when it got too hot for them: Kyv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Kherson city ... The likelihood is there will come a tipping point where the whole thing collapses, but that won't happen for a good while yet.

[William51]

Yes the tanks have arrived, but alas i do not think it is enough help that Ukraine needs.

[ichkeria]

It isn't of itself, but ther eis a huge amount of other kit coming in all the time just now.
However as I said above, really a lot more stuff is needed for a fully effective counteroffensive. I don't think anyone really knows exacly what is coming in. Ukraine also has its own weapons too of course: the Grom missile, for one, and supposedly very long range drones.

[youngmafbog]

Plus the training at Bovington/Lulworth of course.

Who knows what will happen though.