Brexit Update

[Hymie]

Having not posted on Brexit of late, and to ensure TTT is not suffering withdraw symptoms, here is an update on the disaster that keeps on giving.

When Daily Express readers acknowledge what a disaster Brexit is, you can be sure it is a disaster.
Interestingly one Daily Express reader said ‘Of course Brexit is a failure, it only takes someone with a fraction of a brain to observe the damage it has caused to our economy and the havoc it has played with our businesses – the lifeblood of our nation.’

Unhappy with a Yougov survey which showed those thinking the UK was right to leave the EU at its lowest level of 31%; the Express ran its own poll amongst its readers only to find 62% responded that Brexit had been a failure and only 29% a success.

Some may ask why I’m continuing to post on AB what a disaster Brexit is – based on the replies to my posts, many ABers are of the opinion that Brexit is a fantastic success for the UK – they are wrong.

[Untitled]

i am afraid that i disagree with you naomi... i think it was.

as far as i am aware none of my above posts infringe the rules

[ToraToraTora]

15:24 if atheist disagrees with you 100% Naomi that means you are bang on.

[naomi24]

Untitled. Rule 5. ‘Do not post any material that is defamatory …or otherwise objectionable ‘

Falsely accusing a poster of endorsing the execution of another member is both. Now if you want to continue the discussion please take it in a different direction.

[Untitled]

it isn't defamatory if he said it... i think he did and i have explained why

if you wish to keep discussing this then it might be an idea to take it to the editor's blog

[naomi24]

Untitled. If you’re unhappy email the editor.

[Untitled]

i am not the only person who thinks so naomi… you say you don’t want to argue with me and yet you keep doing it :/ i am not sure what you want me to do

[naomi24]

I’ve told you what I want you to do. Move on from this, and if you still have a problem contact the editor.

[Untitled]

your wants are noted

[New Judge]

//I wonder who elects those MEPs, representing their countries in the European parliament?//

The EU Parliament is not worthy of the name. And in any case, the UK had only around 10% of its seats and could be easily outvoted by the other 90% (and often was). The EU has an impossible task. Its aim is to integrate the machinations of 27 very disparate nations and the decisions it makes can never suit all of them. It’s usually a case of everybody gets what few, if anybody wants.

//the “supremacy of eu law” which brexiters pretend to feel oppressed by is primarily for the purpose of resolving disputes…

It is quite clearly stated in the Lisbon Treaty that EU law is supreme. To suggest that principle ”… is primarily for the purpose of resolving disputes…” is rather like saying that member nations can do exactly as they wish…provided the EU Commission agrees to it. Of course it’s for resolving disputes – where a member nation want to do something contrary to EU law. The principle of supremacy doesn’t “resolve” a dispute in the traditional fashion, it simply quashes it.

But that is all by the way. The purpose of Brexit was to ensure the UK was no longer a member of the EU. To me, that is all that mattered and so it has been 100% successful. The fact that the government has failed to make the most of it, and still sees it as their function to operate a damage limitation exercise makes it no less successful. Continually posting YouTube snippets about “the disaster that is Brexit” is wholly unproductive. The UK is no longer a member, is most unlikely to rejoin in the future and we all need to get used to it.

[jourdain2]

Thank you N.J., for pulling this back to the basics. The trade off is this, our freedom for the ease and comfort of being told what to do. It is Stockholm syndrome writ large through the population really.
The tragedy is that our civil servants and the majority of our politicians are prisoners.

[Untitled]

Eu didn’t do a great deal of telling us what to do though… our politicians still had plenty of power and left voluntarily albeit not with a great deal of enthusiasm

“ rather like saying that member nations can do exactly as they wish…provided the EU Commission agrees to it. “

and the commission can only do what it likes so long as the european council agrees to it… and who sits on the european council? oh look, it was us. how oppressive.

[Atheist]

Naomi; I'm afraid you've lost it. I've always had a soft spot for you,but you've finally sunk below the level of rational understanding. You've become TTT-ish in that you no longer see what is blazingly obvious. Farewell, my lovely. Please feel free to delete or ban me for life.
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[CoolBritannia]

Atheist, what a weirdo you are !

[New Judge]

//..and who sits on the european council? oh look, it was us. how oppressive.//

But it wasn’t just “us”, was it? The European Council is comprised of the Heads of government of the member nations. It defines EU policy and direction. But the UK had just one of 28 members. Neither the EU Parliament, nor its Commission, nor its Council had the UK’s best interests (or indeed that of any other member nation) at the forefront. The UK’s interests were easily brushed aside and often were.

However you view it, it is impossible for the EU to formulate policies and enact legislation that is in the best interests of all its members. It is its major shortcoming. Everything must be a compromise and, as with most compromises, they usually suit nobody in particular.

[Hymie]

Untitled: you are destroying the last vestige of any reason why anyone should have voted for Brexit. Having been a complete disaster for the UK economy, plus all the queues at border crossings which will be exacerbated at peak travel times (school holidays) for the foreseeable future – no doubt upsetting many Brexiteers stuck in queues.

As many have pointed out, the UK was at the forefront of formulating many of the EU laws/Directives and only had issue with a very small number of laws – which is to be expected being a member of a very large trading bloc.

[1ozzy]

The usual AB argumentative "debaters" having the same old argument.
No wonder this site is dying a slow death.
Feel free to blame everyone else.

[New Judge]

//As many have pointed out, the UK was at the forefront of formulating many of the EU laws/Directives...//

Was it? Neither the UK nor any other member was "at the forefront" of formulating EU laws and directives. That function is carried out by the EU Commission. The Commission alone is responsible for drawing up proposals for new European legislation, and it implements the decisions of the European Parliament and the Council of the EU. The EU had minimal influence over these bodies (one of 28 Commissioners, one of 28 members of the Council and about 10% of the seats in the Parliament).

//...the UK ...only had issue with a very small number of laws – which is to be expected being a member of a very large trading bloc.//

The EU is not a trading bloc. It is a political construction. Trading blocs do not have laws.

[Untitled]

we are not a superpower anymore new judge and that means regardless of whether or not we are members of the EU we’re not always going to get our way in a world where we no longer have a controlling influence

personally i think that is just reality and running away has not changed it

[Untitled]

what else are we supposed to do 1ozzy? people say the site is dying if nobody posts… they say it is dying if people post but don’t debate… and now it’s dying if we have a discussion…

what’s this place for if not having a bit of an argument? lol

[Hymie]

NJ complains that the EU is undemocratic as we only had 10% of seats in the EU Parliament and only 1 of the 28 seats in the EU Council.

As 1 of 28 member States, why should the UK have had a greater proportion of representation than other member States – surely that would make the EU undemocratic.