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50 Years Today Since The Infamous Rivers Of Blood Speech
Made by Enoch Powell ,very controversial for its time but a lot of it is happening with no controlled immigration nor any government in power or opposition ,willing to tackle it ,it’s seen as a poison chalice
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// In the speech Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country... I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man". //
So 1983-88. Powell must have agreed with that prediction, why else include it in his sppech?
So 1983-88. Powell must have agreed with that prediction, why else include it in his sppech?
Gromit - the simple fact is, no immigrants of any race, colour, or creed, have 'the whip hand' or have 'overrun' this country in any reasonable interpretation of those terms.
The world Mr Powell's constituent, and Mr Powell himself predicted, have patently not come to pass.
His racist doom-mongering and agitation were just that.
He was wrong then. And history has proven him wrong now.
The majority of posts on here are from people who are unwilling or unable, for whatever reason, to accept that simple fact.
The world Mr Powell's constituent, and Mr Powell himself predicted, have patently not come to pass.
His racist doom-mongering and agitation were just that.
He was wrong then. And history has proven him wrong now.
The majority of posts on here are from people who are unwilling or unable, for whatever reason, to accept that simple fact.
History hasn’t proven him wrong because ‘history’
doesn’t end today. There is no ‘full stop’. It’s on-going - and it is very much in the process of proving him right. Oddly enough he mentioned people being afraid to speak out - even in those times. This country has changed enormously since then - but some things never change.
doesn’t end today. There is no ‘full stop’. It’s on-going - and it is very much in the process of proving him right. Oddly enough he mentioned people being afraid to speak out - even in those times. This country has changed enormously since then - but some things never change.
andy-hughes; Keep saying the same thing over & over again & maybe someone will believe you.
though you have been doing it throughout this 227 post thread & you don't seem to be getting very far. Why not pause & consider what you are saying could be wrong?
I've been tempted to give a first hand account of what it was like living in central Wolverhampton during that period of the speech, I have held back, but I can vouch for the sentiments behind those residents quoted in Powell's speech.
though you have been doing it throughout this 227 post thread & you don't seem to be getting very far. Why not pause & consider what you are saying could be wrong?
I've been tempted to give a first hand account of what it was like living in central Wolverhampton during that period of the speech, I have held back, but I can vouch for the sentiments behind those residents quoted in Powell's speech.
naomi - // History hasn’t proven him wrong because ‘history’
doesn’t end today. There is no ‘full stop’. It’s on-going - and it is very much in the process of proving him right. //
Speaking personally, I don't need you to point out the blatantly obvious - that history is a constantly evolving concept.
But the OP is not raised because Mr Powell may one day be proven right, it is raised with the idea that he already is right, and as I have pointed out, that is simply not true.
The 'take-over' by any migrants, including the Afro-Caribbean and West Indian migrants which were the thrust of Mr Powell's speech have not 'taken over', nor do they 'hold the whip hand' as Mr Powell's racist constituent was so keen to advise him, and Mr Powell show tacit agreement with, by quoting the gentleman in his speech.
If pointing something out that may or not come to pass makes you correct, as the majority of Mr Powell's defenders seem to believe, I am delighted to jump on the band wagon, and predict that the earth will one day spin into the sun.
Of course, this is at some yet-to-be-determined point in the future, but it is probably going to happen, and therefore I am as much an oracle to be applauded in fifty years time, as Mr Powell seems to be.
Better still, let's be a little more accurate, with a better time frame -
I predict that in December, Christmas will arrive, and you don't have to wait fifty years to see if I'm right, and I'll still be more accurate now than Mr Powell was fifty/fifty-five (who cares?) years ago, and a sight less provocative and bigoted in saying so.
doesn’t end today. There is no ‘full stop’. It’s on-going - and it is very much in the process of proving him right. //
Speaking personally, I don't need you to point out the blatantly obvious - that history is a constantly evolving concept.
But the OP is not raised because Mr Powell may one day be proven right, it is raised with the idea that he already is right, and as I have pointed out, that is simply not true.
The 'take-over' by any migrants, including the Afro-Caribbean and West Indian migrants which were the thrust of Mr Powell's speech have not 'taken over', nor do they 'hold the whip hand' as Mr Powell's racist constituent was so keen to advise him, and Mr Powell show tacit agreement with, by quoting the gentleman in his speech.
If pointing something out that may or not come to pass makes you correct, as the majority of Mr Powell's defenders seem to believe, I am delighted to jump on the band wagon, and predict that the earth will one day spin into the sun.
Of course, this is at some yet-to-be-determined point in the future, but it is probably going to happen, and therefore I am as much an oracle to be applauded in fifty years time, as Mr Powell seems to be.
Better still, let's be a little more accurate, with a better time frame -
I predict that in December, Christmas will arrive, and you don't have to wait fifty years to see if I'm right, and I'll still be more accurate now than Mr Powell was fifty/fifty-five (who cares?) years ago, and a sight less provocative and bigoted in saying so.
Khandro - // andy-hughes; Keep saying the same thing over & over again & maybe someone will believe you.
though you have been doing it throughout this 227 post thread & you don't seem to be getting very far. Why not pause & consider what you are saying could be wrong? //
I doubt anyone, including yourself, posts at the length and frequency that I have, and am still doing, because they believe that what they are saying is wrong.
I have explained at considerable length why I believe I am not wrong, you are welcome to disagree, but that does not make me wrong, it simply means you see the situation differently.
// I've been tempted to give a first hand account of what it was like living in central Wolverhampton during that period of the speech, I have held back, but I can vouch for the sentiments behind those residents quoted in Powell's speech. //
The sentiments of Mr Powell's constituent, ignorant and racist as they are, are famous merely because he chose to repeat them.
Him repeating them, and you believing them, does not make them historical fact.
The 'black man' does not 'hold the whip hand over the white man', and if you wish to believe that, then you are free to do so, but again, that does not make what you believe true, it is patently not true.
though you have been doing it throughout this 227 post thread & you don't seem to be getting very far. Why not pause & consider what you are saying could be wrong? //
I doubt anyone, including yourself, posts at the length and frequency that I have, and am still doing, because they believe that what they are saying is wrong.
I have explained at considerable length why I believe I am not wrong, you are welcome to disagree, but that does not make me wrong, it simply means you see the situation differently.
// I've been tempted to give a first hand account of what it was like living in central Wolverhampton during that period of the speech, I have held back, but I can vouch for the sentiments behind those residents quoted in Powell's speech. //
The sentiments of Mr Powell's constituent, ignorant and racist as they are, are famous merely because he chose to repeat them.
Him repeating them, and you believing them, does not make them historical fact.
The 'black man' does not 'hold the whip hand over the white man', and if you wish to believe that, then you are free to do so, but again, that does not make what you believe true, it is patently not true.
Maybe not over the white man but...
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