Why Are Illegal Immigrants Sailing From Tunisia To Italy?

[dave50]

Whats wrong with Tunisia?

[gulliver1]

12.00 "And if not already they will be getting their "families" onto the gravy train" ......The gravy train has stopped running ... The Tories took it over.
They have booked every seat.

[sandyRoe]

Could countries north of the Med have struck a deal with the Libyans to restrict the numbers leaving their shores?

[New Judge]

//Could countries north of the Med have struck a deal with the Libyans to restrict the numbers leaving their shores?//

Rather like the deal the UK struck with France, you mean?

[ToraToraTora]

the problem,as with all things, is solved by the British. We invaded and civilised them. They crave that now, end of.

[Deskdiary]

Untitled at 11.52 - you’re making the mistake of assuming all these young men are fleeing tyranny; some may be, buts it’s a safe assumption most are economic migrants.

[andres]

Racist attacks and violence against the Black people in Tunisia has been happening for years but has escalated just recently. That's why they are trying to leave.

[douglas9401]

These are not children of empire and their trek should be in vain.

Along with the rest of the scheming chancers.

[Atheist]

People don't give up their homes and possessions and launch themselves onto a freezing sea on a dodgy dinghy unless they are desperate to escape something and to find something that will give them and their kids a bit of hope in life. You may resent them trying to do that, but you might consider what you might do in similar circumstances. Then again, you might not give a toss.

[douglas9401]

You got there in the end, Atheist.

[Atheist]

Douglas.You mean my last sentence?

[Old_Geezer]

would all of them just go to ireland or france and then go “ahhh i am safe now…” Yes of course they would, because we know how to behave. From there many may apply to go elsewhere through the proper channels. But I will give you that one can't expect every nation to reach such a basic level of decent behavior. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have seen examples of how to behave in a civil manner.

[sandyRoe]

Is Libya still ruled by warlords?
If it is I don't suppose they'd be unduly troubled by concerns about civil rights. If they'd taken European gold , and I don't know that they have, they would have ensured the route from their country to Europe was sealed.
That might explain why the departure point from Africa is now in Tunisia.

[New Judge]

//People don't give up their homes and possessions and launch themselves onto a freezing sea on a dodgy dinghy unless they are desperate to escape something...//

What is it they are desperate to escape from in France?

[1ozzy]

//What is it they are desperate to escape from in France?//

French people?
Possibly?

[david small]

Sometimes I wonder if we had a decent dictatorship would our dithering and arguments be lesser. Too many opinions, too many sly manipulative shysters. One leader, not a Stalin, Pol pot, or Hitler. A strong, resourceful, honest, and intelligent leader. Fantasy? Sadly yes.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled 11:52, typical commie irrelevant drivel. That analogy might work if the countries they passed through had a similar regime. They come here because we have legions of hand wringing TROB do gooders who give them stuff and stop the indigenous population doing anything about it.

[William51]

It could be because the people smuggling gangs arranged it for them.

[Deskdiary]

“Then again, you might not give a toss.”

I give a toss, in fact I give a massive toss. Not for them, I couldn’t give a toss about them because they’re chancers who have successfully hoodwinked the hand-wringers, rather I give a toss about the invasion. And make no mistake, it is an invasion.

[fender62]

Deskdiary, exactly.. who are they, no one knows, criminal record? diseases? jihadists? rapists? murderers? (pedo's?) considering the cultures they they came from 100%, welcom to britain by the hand-wringers erm hope ya aint got no litle girls grandaughters and boys etc

[Untitled]

the point i was making was that if in my example tories were forced to flee the UK they would not simply settle in france or ireland... they would go to whichever country gave them a chance to rebuild their lives... many perhaps even most would end up in the USA or candaa via ireland or iceland because they are anglophone countries and a lot of people in the UK have connections there

and despite new judge quoting article 31 there is absolutely nothing in that legislation which forbids refugees from exercising a degree of choice about where they settle... indeed if we insisted that all refugees should just settle in the countries which happen to neighbour their own then the UK would accept no asylum seekers whatsoever including for example ukranians and those unfortunate countries which neighbour crisis areas would be overwhelmed and unable to effectively help. this would clearly be unjust.

the majority of those who claim asylum in this country after arriving illegally actually do have their applications accepted which suggests that a large number of them are not "chancers" or economic migrants as hatemongers like to suggest... distinguishing the two groups is why asylum applications have to be approved.

unfortunately because the uk has deliberately closed all safe and legal routes of entering the country for the purposes of claiming asylum the only way to enter the UK for that purpose is by doing it the same way as those who do so for criminal or "economic" reasons... so there is no way to tell the difference until they arrive. if we did facilitate asylum applications in e.g. france then we would not be faced with that problem but we won't do that because tory voters i suspect want no asylum seekers to come to this country at all regardless of whether or not they are legimitate