Why Is I D Such A Problem?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66788130

I don't get it, what's so difficult?

[jubileejane]

Check out the world economic forums website and the Great Rest 2030 - the plan is for one world government, and for 15 minute cities worldwide ( check out Oxford) and for the world population to be reduced to 500 million. 

[bobbinwales]

Ha .. but what's that conspiracy theory nutters website got to do with voter id Jane?

[10ClarionSt]

I never carry ID with me.

[bobbinwales]

Not to travel abroad or pick up a parcel from Royal mail 10clarionstreet. I need photo IDbadge to get in work even tho they know me and I take my driving licence with me if I go on week away in UK by car

[10ClarionSt]

Ok, I only carry ID when I know I'm going to need it, otherwise, I never carry ID with me. I've never used ID to collect a parcel from Royal Mail, never. I haven't been abroad since 2019. 

[bobbinwales]

Yes me too....so I'd take it to vote as I know its needed.

[bobbinwales]

Hymie.... Di you know whether some or most or all eu countries need ID to vote? Many eu countries have ID cards.

Di they turn away black people with valid ID or is it just  postbrexit UK that has an agenda to stop some non-Whites voting?

[THECORBYLOON]

WEBBO, this is a link to the Parliamentary report discussed in the video

https://www.icdr.co.uk/news/voter-id-is-a-poisoned-cure-and-must-be-reformed-finds-parliamentary-inquiry

[bobbinwales]

Yes ... agre with the findings especially that it's right in principle but the recommended reforms are needed....hopefully they can be in place by G E time.

I think the much bigger area to address though is postal vote fraud. That's more of a priority... or should be

[New Judge]

//Interestingly, no one seems to have a care that non-whites with valid voting ID were not permitted to vote//

I'd be interested in anybody, whatever their skin colour, being denied a vote even though they had valid ID. If you can find an article or report which explains that (rather than some bloke rambling away on YouTube) I'd be very interested. However, since you seem either unwilling or unable to do that my interest has not yet been sufficiently aroused.

On a general note, this measure was emphasised more than enough just about everywhere. Anybody unaware of it must have been living in a cave. Whilst I accept that awareness of current affairs is not a requirement to be proved before voting, it begs the question if they're unaware of such a high profile measure being introduced, are they really bothered enough about voting anyway?

Voting carries with it some responsibilities and one now is that you must be able to prove you're entitled to do so. If you're really that troubled by that, the answer may be to get a postal vote as the security of that sytem still leaves a lot to be desired.   

[Hymie]

NJ – Be very interested, the information is in THECORBYLOON’s link above.

 

Do pay attention NJ – Femi cited the above report (from where he got the information) in his video presentation.

 

And some people on here a laughing at Femi (on here), I assume the racists.

[bobbinwales]

Hymie.... the report says 

"In response to: ‘Have the impacts or likely impacts (if any) been more serious or substantial for some groups than others? If so, which groups?’ As part of our pre-deployment discussions with external interlocutors, we discussed other ways of seeing if this policy was affecting some groups within society more than others. As such, we asked our observers to report broad ethnicity descriptions for those turned away. To classify, we used the phrases ‘white passing’ and ‘non-white passing’ to see if there was evidence of this policy being more impactful on voters from ethnic minorities. Our observers discovered that 20% of those excluded were ‘white passing’ males, 30% were ‘non-white’ passing males, 27% were ‘white passing females’ and 23% were ‘non-white’ passing females. Whilst the totals of male and female being excluded were equal, the majority of those excluded were from ethnic minorities, disproportionate for their number in the wider demographic. 53% of all those excluded were ‘non-white passing’. We also observed that 5 voters were not asked for ID before being allowed to vote during our observation; all of them were white passing"

I cant see the bit that says some non whites with valid ID were turned away .

Can you point to the bit please that supports your claim??

[Gromit]

// voters will be turned away at the general election, expected next year, because there will not be enough staff to check valid ID and produce Voter Authority Certificates. //

They have set up a system that is doomed to fail. Just like they have done on small boats and the economy.

[THECORBYLOON]

BOB

'The Democracy Volunteers report also identified that some voters were turned away despite having valid ID and “this was particularly the case for IDs from Commonwealth countries – such as Pakistan and Bangladesh”. This suggests a concerning picture whereby minorities are more likely to have not been able to vote or turned away with valid ID than their white counterparts. Moreover, the team observed people being allowed to vote in various areas without presenting ID, suggesting unequal enforcement of the voter ID requirements.'

'However, there needs to be greater clarity and potentially diversity in the forms of ID that are acceptable. On several occasions, our observers identified voters who were actually turned away despite having valid ID – this was particularly the case for IDs from Commonwealth countries – such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Some polling staff’s lack of awareness of this was concerning.'

[Hymie]

THECORBYLOON – well it was not directly in your link, but the link to the report (in your link) – see page 19 of this report:-

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6033d6547502c200670fd98c/t/64ff05b5797e5a2707ddf3fb/1694434746644/VID+Inquiry+Report+FINAL.pdf

[New Judge]

Do pay attention NJ – Femi cited the above report (from where he got the information) in his video presentation.

Well why didn’t you provide a link to it in your OP? It’s sort of polite to do that and not expect people to listen to YouTube drivel.

I’ve read the report (well most of it). The committee looking into this seems, as many such enquiries do, to have assumed that  racism or discrimination exists where there is probably none. Apparently the main reason why people with acceptable ID were denied a vote was because their appearance did not match the likeness in the ID document. That’s scarcely the fault of the polling clerk and does not indicate that racist tendencies are at work (even if the majority of those people turned away were not white). They were turned away because of a deficiency in their ID, not because of the colour of their skin.

The committee recommends that when this problem presents itself, the voter may make a “statutory declaration” to confirm they are who they say they are. This is not a bad idea but I imagine that it will put many people off voting. Stat Decs are a legal procedure which must normally be performed before a solicitor, commissioner for oaths or a JP and potential voters may associate it with the legal system and be deterred.

Finally this:

And some people on here a laughing at Femi (on here), I assume the racists.

Why do you continually resort to these unfounded accusations? People probably laugh at Femi because, from the very little I have seen of him, he presents as a first class pillock. The title of his diatribe “UK is officially a racist democracy” sets that scene. They'd probably be equally critical of him whatever his skin colour. He can’t change that but he can change his mode of presentation if he wants to be taken seriously. You assume that because somebody does not agree with a black person they are necessarily racist. That’s about as daft as suggesting that all those who voted to leave the EU are as well.

[bobbinwales]

Thanks the corbeyloon... not sure that was in there or where it was but it confirm sthe observations were made.... though I cant see any numbers so dont know whether we'er talking about a handful of cases (still too many) or lots.  I wonder if the same issue occurs with passport photos at passport control for non-whites who dont seem to look enough like there photo in the eyes of passport staff.

I'm sure that issue can be addressed by having more diversity checkers.