Russell Brand

[royfromaus]

Tried putting up a link....

[barry1010]

He had his own BBC radio shows

[naomi24]

SP, //Just like there should be no time limit on accusations of rape, grooming and sexual assualt.//

 

What point are you trying to make?  As far as I'm aware there is no time limit.  

[Redhelen72]

Whilst I acknowledge our police inability to deal with rape and the victims fear of being'typecast' .

this type of action should not be allowed unless there is proof that the victim has sought police intervention.

[Canary42]

If he's innocent he will be cleared just like Cliff was.  The interim period of publicity is the price of fame.  And there's a wise old saying "no such thing as bad publicity". 

[sp1814]

"What point are you trying to make?  As far as I'm aware there is no time limit. "

The point I'm trying to make is that some people question why it takes so long for women to come forward and accuse a man of sexual assualt / rape / grooming.

My answer at 10.02am explains why. Just as there's no time limit to make such an accustion, people shouldn't ask why people leave it so long to complain.

My answer at 10.02am again.

That's why.

 

 

[sp1814]

Canary42

Problem is - this isn't like Cliff, where the police investigated and cleared his name.

This is more like when the press pointed the finger at John Leslie after Ulrika Jonnson revealed she'd been raped. 

Because there was no criminal investigation, it was all left to hang in the air like a bad smell. His career never recovered.

Same will probably happen to Schofield.

Brand however - I'm not so sure. Too early to say.

 

[naomi24]

SP, //people shouldn't ask why people leave it so long to complain.//

 

Oh but they should - and they should also ask why these women aren't complaining to the police.  They are, after all, accusing a man of committing criminal offences.

[Redhelen72]

No one wants to victim blame but this latest craze of witch hunts is very McCarthyism 

[Ellipsis]

Witches were innocent ...

[Zacs-Master]

You mean the witch hunts which led to the convictions of Weinstein, Epstein, Maxwell, Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Frank Bough, Gary Glitter, etc etc.......?

[LadyCG]

They weren't witchhunts, Zac, they were prosecutions.  

[Zacs-Master]

You're missing the point, LCG. The point being there's no witch hunt here either. Only in the minds of the self-deluded. 

[LadyCG]

Oh, I'll bow to your superior knowledge in that case, Zacs and patient await while you put forth all your evidence.  

[royfromaus]

I take it you know how this investigation by the media started then, Zacs?

[Zacs-Master]

Nope but I would hazard a guess that it was a woman who had the bravery to make the accusation. 

[Zacs-Master]

I have no evidence LCG but I'm pretty sure some keen lawyers do. 

[douglas9401]

It's not unknown for lawyers to ride into battle believing in their own powers of persuasion and with one eye on a big payday where celebrity is involved.

How such accusations could be proven without the equivalent of the blue dress is hard to see. Many people making claims doesn't make them true.

See any bandwagon driving rabble rouser from history.

[mushroom25]

// You mean the witch hunts which led to the convictions of.....//

only two of the names in your post were ever prosecuted, never mind convicted.

[Ellipsis]

Calling something a witch hunt pre-supposes that the object is innocent, which they may or may not be. So calling it a witch hunt is problematic and wrong.

The motives if the Murdoch press are complicated. They hate the fact that news is free on the BBC and Channel 4, and paid in Murdoch channels. 

That said, they may well have exposed a scandal, which would be helpful to the victims.

James Cleverly has piled in very quickly, probably because he and the Tories are more aligned with Murdoch and less with the BBC and Channel 4.

So in the whole, it's an unholy mess, with possibly at least a grain of truth an in the allegations ... whether or not they were the reason they were published.

[sp1814]

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