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Nigel For Tory Party Leader ?
'Nigel Farage has topped a poll on who should be the next Tory leader, with Suella Braverman second and Boris Johnson third.
The Express asked readers who they thought should replace Rishi Sunak as he faces a crisis over the Rwanda scheme.
As of 6pm yesterday, more than 5,000 people had voted in the survey on this website.
Mr Farage, the former Ukip and Brexit Party leader who is currently taking part in I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here, came first with 41 per cent despite not currently being a Tory member'
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ."It is a generally accepted fact that Farage was the initiator & driving force behind Brexit. If he wasn't who was ? "
Well I'd certainly disagree with the first part of that but the point is to win a referendum you need to convince floaters and Cummings's judgment was that people like him and Banks would put those people off. So he would not agree with the second bit
2010-2015 UKIP were hurting the Tories, Cameron promised a referendum to alleviate that, he won the 2015 election because Tory voters did not jump ship because of that promise. He got the "wrong" answer in the referendum then scarpered. Thus NF became the most successful politician in history without ever entering either house.
I couldn't copy the relevant section earlier but I can now
'10 There shall be a Leader of the Party (referred to in this Constitution as “the Leader”) drawn from those elected to the House of Commons, who shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 2. '
royfromaus: //Was there a threat from UKIP or not? Either there was and the UKIP vote wasn't wasted
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There wasn't and Cameron was stupid to promise a referendum./
Yes there was a threat, many tories were threatening to vote UKIP, the promise of a referendum meant they didn't actually vote that way. Cameron thought remain would win, so did most of us actually, so from his point of view offering the promise in exchange for winning the election was the right thing to do.
No, not sure what you are driving at here roy, it's simple enough, the threat of Tories voting for UKIP was enough to get a referendum. Thus the threat was all it was. Previous UKIP voters thought that was the right thing to do same as Lib non dem, green etc. The real danger in 2015 was the threat of Eurosceptic tories voting UKIP en masse when they previously had not. The threat alone was all that was needed.
But nobody (or few) voted for UKIP, many UKIP potential voters even voted for Cameron to get the referendum.
So no votes were wasted, as explained a few times above it was just the potential of votes going to UKIP that made Cameron promise a referendum.
Not sure why that is so hard to understand.
Neither is a vote wasted becuase your Party doesnt win. Otherwise the liberals, greens etc would have no party.