Why Do The B B C Keep Saying Israel Suffered A "Defeat" On 7Th Oct?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm24q3204y3o

"His death is a serious blow for Hamas, the organisation he turned into a fighting force that inflicted the biggest defeat on the state of Israel in its history. "

It wasn't fight it was a slaughter of civilians. How can the nation of a terror attrocity be said to have been "defeated"?

Was the USA defeated after 9/11

Spain After Madrid?

UK after 7/7?

Looks like the beeb has its own cabal of terrorist apologists.

[Old_Geezer]

They are simply misspelling a t t a c k.

[Peter Pedant]

didnt churchill or someone say, " it is very difficult to call it a victory if you lose 21 000 men"

Pyrrhic Victory

and a French general " Eef we have another victoire like zat, we will lose the war!"

No, they didnt? OK, it is all right this is AB !

[Mozz71]

It's a strange turn of phrase. "Biggest attack" would be the correct term imho.

[Peter Pedant]

How can the nation of a terror attrocity be said to have been "defeated"? UK after 7/7?

7 July bombings werent an untrammelled success or victory you know

( I was kinds there, ish)

David Davis ( ex SAS officer apparently) got the first report about the London bombs from CC X , Sir, QPM, MBE, ( sir)  etc - which  started " went the day quite well..." and commented: " This report is SO bad, the whole thing will have to be done again."

the others I dont know so much about

[max137]

Its a bit like me sucker punching someone and calling it the best knockout ever in my amatuer boxing days.

[Mozz71]

In Bowen's defense, he repeatedly refers to the death of Yahya Sinwar as a "victory" for Israel, so it keeps with the narrative of each event being either a victory or a defeat.

 

I don't much like the use of the word defeat, it seems too final for me.

[naomi24]

But that happened when the two sides were in conflict, mozz.  On 7 October there was no conflict.  That was a terrorist attack.

[Old_Geezer]

You can have small victories regarding immediate aims in an ongoing conflict; which doesn't say anything about any end result.

That that differs from a situation where it is claimed some nation has been defeated; which implies an end result and the cessation of further hostilities.

It's poor use of the word, but these days, poor use of English seems to be a basic job requirement for a journalist.

[Old_Geezer]

But that ...

[max137]

It will be interesting watcing the pro hamas/palestine march this weekend.

[Peter Pedant]

Its a bit like me sucker punching someone and calling it the best knockout ever in my amatuer boxing days.

people do that a lot in pubs dont they? ( not me not me, but it DOES get the other side to lie down and be quiet) - a bit like a mod marching up silently after you and deleting - - - OK OK  a metaphor too far....

didnt 1973 start with a er sur[rise defensive attack - Egyptian air force destroyed ?

1857 Did not Nana Sahib at Cawnpore hand a note to a British General " I am about to attack you" ? - cant find the ref.

This is a note of surprise attacks in History. The mods seems stuck in 'gormless' mode

[Peter Pedant]

It will be interesting watcing the mods here this weekend modding out any diussent

[vulcan42]

The BBC have a lot of weird writers these days. I read a report recently and the way they described a quite serious event, I thought I was reading a dime novel.