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Is the future Muslim?
Okay, I know its the Daily Mail, but this is a question that must be in everyones head, and it worries me, bacause if it happens, and I think it will in my lifetime, it'll be Sharia Law we'll be under.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=452815&in_page_i d=1770
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=452815&in_page_i d=1770
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Elvis68. Whilst I am not a teacher, I do work with teachers and I am not aware that any of the schools in my area are overwhelmed with non English speaking children. Yes they do have non English speaking children but this is not adversely affecting education of the other children. Most teachers will say that trying to manage highly disruptive children who have issues such as ADHD takes up their time and energy to the cost of more manageable children.
By the way I envy you having convenience stores and especially Turkish takeaways being set up all over the place and hope that occurs in the town I live in or at least the town I work in. Presumably these are not the same immigrants that are referred to by Stokeace as his? Immigrants do not have NI no�s or pay any taxes which if you are running a business is impossible to avoid all taxes and exist without NI no
By the way I envy you having convenience stores and especially Turkish takeaways being set up all over the place and hope that occurs in the town I live in or at least the town I work in. Presumably these are not the same immigrants that are referred to by Stokeace as his? Immigrants do not have NI no�s or pay any taxes which if you are running a business is impossible to avoid all taxes and exist without NI no
ruby in stoke there are 2 illegals who have just been jailed for working in a local pottery industry.they brought passports and false ni numbers and were working at the factory when immigration officials and police arrested them.these false documents ARE available to purchase to people who are desperate enough to want to stay here.
Stokeace
Are you sure about this, such as were you sat in the Court - its just because in Stoke
�But leaflets have only a fraction of the potency of ill-founded whispers that swirl around the city - of asylum seekers being given free mobile phones and driving lessons, or illegal immigrants being bussed in to town to steal local jobs�. Quote from Guardian Newspaper
So you may have just been reporting an ill founded whisper. Furthermore Keele University undertook research into the racism that exist in North Staffordshire. A key finding was that in Stoke and North Staffordshire people commonly talk about the difference between us and them. I guess if you are from Stoke you will have been brought up in a local culture that is generally racist and explains your views.
Are you sure about this, such as were you sat in the Court - its just because in Stoke
�But leaflets have only a fraction of the potency of ill-founded whispers that swirl around the city - of asylum seekers being given free mobile phones and driving lessons, or illegal immigrants being bussed in to town to steal local jobs�. Quote from Guardian Newspaper
So you may have just been reporting an ill founded whisper. Furthermore Keele University undertook research into the racism that exist in North Staffordshire. A key finding was that in Stoke and North Staffordshire people commonly talk about the difference between us and them. I guess if you are from Stoke you will have been brought up in a local culture that is generally racist and explains your views.
naomi24"How many more young people will follow the 40% and what will they teach their children? " Ask how many people followed their parents into Anarchy. If you polled 16-24 year olds 30 years ago, a high proportion of them would have followed The Sex Pistols and other Punk Bands into Anarchy & Violence.
Don't see the same views now.
Most people at that age are angry etc. They mature with age.
Don't see the same views now.
Most people at that age are angry etc. They mature with age.
so ruby you are of the view that all stoke people are racist?yes we have our fair share of different cultures here and on the whole everyone lives in harmony if anything there is more attacks on white people by the ethnic groups but on the whole that is not reported.i find your generalisation of people in this area most offensive ruby where do you live?it sounds as if you live in some rose covered cottage in a nice good old english village.immigration issues are a real worry for the people it affects so stop shouting from your ivory tower.
Stokeace
I apologise if I made the impression that I think all people from North Staffordshire and Stoke on Trent in particular are all racist. The would be offensive of me which is something I try to avoid. However for a University to undertake research into racism and specifically one area is unsual leading me to the view that it must be a problem in that area otherwise the University would not have gone to the trouble of doing the research.
quote Using a unique methodological approach the researchers examined the significant problem of racial harassment of ethnic minorities in the region.
I apologise if I made the impression that I think all people from North Staffordshire and Stoke on Trent in particular are all racist. The would be offensive of me which is something I try to avoid. However for a University to undertake research into racism and specifically one area is unsual leading me to the view that it must be a problem in that area otherwise the University would not have gone to the trouble of doing the research.
quote Using a unique methodological approach the researchers examined the significant problem of racial harassment of ethnic minorities in the region.
Stokeace
I assume you want to know where I live because you think its somewhere like Chelsea, Lemington Spar or Bath, rather than you wish to visit me for a cup of tea and a chat
I live in a town in the midlands, not quite as North as Stoke.
When I last looked there I couldn't see any roses growing over my house. I also work in the midlands and my type of work takes me into contact with people who live in the wards which are in the top 10% of deprivation. So I do have some contact with real life.
I assume you want to know where I live because you think its somewhere like Chelsea, Lemington Spar or Bath, rather than you wish to visit me for a cup of tea and a chat
I live in a town in the midlands, not quite as North as Stoke.
When I last looked there I couldn't see any roses growing over my house. I also work in the midlands and my type of work takes me into contact with people who live in the wards which are in the top 10% of deprivation. So I do have some contact with real life.
For those of you who are scared about a 'muslim take over', please be reassured you are just suffering from moral panic - its happend loads of times. When I studied sociology in the late 70's all the books talked of the mods and the rockers - like thats a problem now! Don't worry in few years time your panic will be consigned to history
"A moral panic is characterised by a feeling held by a substantial number of a members of a given society, that evil-doers pose a threat to society and to the moral order as a consequence of their behaviour and, therefore, "something should be done about them and their behaviour". The term 'moral panic' suggests a dramatic and rapid overreaction to forms of deviance or wrongdoing believed to be a direct threat to society. They tend to occur at times of social upheaval when people are struggling to adjust; there is a general feeling of lack of control and declining standards. At these times people tend to group into a kind of social collective, further defined by identify victims on which all that is wrong of society may be blamed. This helps them feel better
"A moral panic is characterised by a feeling held by a substantial number of a members of a given society, that evil-doers pose a threat to society and to the moral order as a consequence of their behaviour and, therefore, "something should be done about them and their behaviour". The term 'moral panic' suggests a dramatic and rapid overreaction to forms of deviance or wrongdoing believed to be a direct threat to society. They tend to occur at times of social upheaval when people are struggling to adjust; there is a general feeling of lack of control and declining standards. At these times people tend to group into a kind of social collective, further defined by identify victims on which all that is wrong of society may be blamed. This helps them feel better
The volume of violent behaviour among British youth should be of far greater concern than the extremist views of a minority of the Muslim population.
Oneeyedvic's allready demonstrated that Muslims compose c.3% of the UK's population. 40% of that 3% translated into numbers would likely equate with the number of white British extremists (or is probably smaller) - though, to be fair, this is a personal estimate, I can't back this up.
Again, those few who advocate 'Sharia Law' are in a tiny minority. And even then, there's nothing to suggest that this'll necessarily endure.
I've actually noticed (through sheer observation) that there are plenty of people my age [16/17] who actually oppose democracy in the UK, but nobody has yet proclaimed the end of civilisation regarding this...
naomi: If extremist Islam does indeed carry on into old age, I'd like an explanation as to why a significantly smaller number of over-55 Muslims are advocates of 'Sharia Law'...
Oneeyedvic's allready demonstrated that Muslims compose c.3% of the UK's population. 40% of that 3% translated into numbers would likely equate with the number of white British extremists (or is probably smaller) - though, to be fair, this is a personal estimate, I can't back this up.
Again, those few who advocate 'Sharia Law' are in a tiny minority. And even then, there's nothing to suggest that this'll necessarily endure.
I've actually noticed (through sheer observation) that there are plenty of people my age [16/17] who actually oppose democracy in the UK, but nobody has yet proclaimed the end of civilisation regarding this...
naomi: If extremist Islam does indeed carry on into old age, I'd like an explanation as to why a significantly smaller number of over-55 Muslims are advocates of 'Sharia Law'...
Vic, not silly, just not thought through. There can be no reasonable comparison between my views on punishment for child rapists and Sharia law, or between punk culture and Islamic culture. You seem to be overlooking the fact that Islam is not just a religion - it's a way of life. As much as you find my view ludicrous, I find yours incredibly naive.
Krom: you can answer your own question. How long has the west been affected by Islamic extremists? Older people aren't the problem.
Krom: you can answer your own question. How long has the west been affected by Islamic extremists? Older people aren't the problem.
Can anyone be truly religious and it not be the way they lead their life? I thought it was the doctrine that guided them, their thoughts and actions in life. Certainly all the Christians I know would say it was their way of life
Religious hatred is something that white British people have historically excelled at, the Crusades (sic), the Witchcraft burnings, Catholics versus Protestants and vice versa, so why stop it�s the turn of the Muslims now. Oh we do enjoy hating someone else do we not.
Religious hatred is something that white British people have historically excelled at, the Crusades (sic), the Witchcraft burnings, Catholics versus Protestants and vice versa, so why stop it�s the turn of the Muslims now. Oh we do enjoy hating someone else do we not.
Ruby, Truly religious? Are we talking Buddhist monks - or are we talking radical Islamic Imams like Abu Hamza? They both lead their lives in what they would describe as a truly religious way, but the reality is they're worlds apart.
Racism and hatred are aspects that you've introduced into this debate, and frankly the inference is offensive.
Racism and hatred are aspects that you've introduced into this debate, and frankly the inference is offensive.
In that case inf, I apolgise for the nutter bit, but raver, insinuating i'm a bit mad?. anyway, civil war, all depending on your definition of it, the last one in this country, was two conventional armies, but as far as I am concerned, its any force trying to take control of the country using any means available, against the current rulers, and thats what I see happening, my view.
Now maybe you would do me the courtesy of explaining what you actually mean by Raver?,
Now maybe you would do me the courtesy of explaining what you actually mean by Raver?,
I never mentioned immigrants, illegal or otherwise, however, take a look at this link, and if you think any of the ten points are untrue, please say.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten _reasons_why_sharia_is.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten _reasons_why_sharia_is.html
Firstly, going on the figures that have been provided - ie less than 4% of the population are Muslim and way less than 50% of these people want Sharia Law - do you really believe that "in your lifetime it will be Sharia Law we'll be under" or are you big enough to admit that this is a sensationalist headline and you don't truly believe it?
I don't believe that we will have Sharia Law in this country - and (imho) no one does. Many will say that they do as they are ignorant and wish to stir up anger / hatred against muslims.
From the weblink you provided: The 10th law sites 3 cases in 3 countries in the last 10 years.
As does the 8th law. At this point I got bored (and thought about the irony considering your views on killing people who have killed others)
If they can only go on a few (I assume isolated cases) then it seems rather ridiculous.
Would you like English law to be judged purely on the basis of some extremes?
I don't believe that we will have Sharia Law in this country - and (imho) no one does. Many will say that they do as they are ignorant and wish to stir up anger / hatred against muslims.
From the weblink you provided: The 10th law sites 3 cases in 3 countries in the last 10 years.
As does the 8th law. At this point I got bored (and thought about the irony considering your views on killing people who have killed others)
If they can only go on a few (I assume isolated cases) then it seems rather ridiculous.
Would you like English law to be judged purely on the basis of some extremes?
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