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Mark Speight : An Inspector Calls
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7350 087.stm
Times must have been very hard for this guy.
I wonder if anyone contributed to his death.
He had just lost his very close girlfriend in horrible circumstances and was immediately named a murder suspect. Was there enough cause for this? Just cos he was in the same flat? There is sometimes need for restraint, given what he has just undergone, and given the fact that there was obviously very little pointing to him as culprit: yet the police by default just haul him in. I bet he got a right grilling 'You're to blame, etc etc, be harsh on him and he'll confess'. I wonder if the police have some blood on their hands.
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Times must have been very hard for this guy.
I wonder if anyone contributed to his death.
He had just lost his very close girlfriend in horrible circumstances and was immediately named a murder suspect. Was there enough cause for this? Just cos he was in the same flat? There is sometimes need for restraint, given what he has just undergone, and given the fact that there was obviously very little pointing to him as culprit: yet the police by default just haul him in. I bet he got a right grilling 'You're to blame, etc etc, be harsh on him and he'll confess'. I wonder if the police have some blood on their hands.
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"Not really bothered what he did when he was alive, but suicide is a sh1tty thing to do on your loved ones and friends. "
Yeah, selfish b#stard, I'm sure if he'd considered their feelings he'd have seen past the blackness surrounding him.
""in answer to your question 'has anyone else contributed to his death' my answer to that is NO ONE BUT HIMSELF AND HIS DRUG TAKING ACTIONS............ """
He was obviously in a distressed state that led him to take his own life. And your proof that others did not contribute to this distressed state is???
Yeah, selfish b#stard, I'm sure if he'd considered their feelings he'd have seen past the blackness surrounding him.
""in answer to your question 'has anyone else contributed to his death' my answer to that is NO ONE BUT HIMSELF AND HIS DRUG TAKING ACTIONS............ """
He was obviously in a distressed state that led him to take his own life. And your proof that others did not contribute to this distressed state is???
That's all I was checking, Raggy. You grade your sympathy depending on their lifestyle choice. Thankfully, most people don't.
Otherwise think how many obituaries would be marred by people denouncing their lifestyle and how it brought about their demise - Winston Churchill, Dylan Thomas, George Best, Billie Holiday, Edgar Allan Poe, Peter Cook.
Do they get a bit of scorn thrown in with your sympathy as well?
I'm sure you're not so stupid that you believe that people's hearts are bleeding because he was a celebrity. I'd never ever heard of him before he went missing - it's this angry mob 'all druggies deserve to die' mentality that people are arguing against. It's thick. Unless you can come up with a moral basis for why it's any worse than over-eating or drinking too much?
Otherwise think how many obituaries would be marred by people denouncing their lifestyle and how it brought about their demise - Winston Churchill, Dylan Thomas, George Best, Billie Holiday, Edgar Allan Poe, Peter Cook.
Do they get a bit of scorn thrown in with your sympathy as well?
I'm sure you're not so stupid that you believe that people's hearts are bleeding because he was a celebrity. I'd never ever heard of him before he went missing - it's this angry mob 'all druggies deserve to die' mentality that people are arguing against. It's thick. Unless you can come up with a moral basis for why it's any worse than over-eating or drinking too much?
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I think what happened to him is a terrible shame, the way he was treated after his girlfriends death was dreadful. He took his OWN life, no one elses. No one should be judging him to why he did it. There's no cowards way about it.
Me and my nephew loved him in a few different kids shows . He was a very talented artist and seemed a lovely man.
RIP Mark.
Me and my nephew loved him in a few different kids shows . He was a very talented artist and seemed a lovely man.
RIP Mark.
I'd never heard of Mark Speight until he was arrested (my era was Swap Shop and Tiswas), however, weirdly, I felt absolutely gutted when I heard he'd killed himself because he's the same age as me and I immediately put myself in his shoes and subconsciously asked, "How would I cope if my partner (for whatever reason) died.
I don't know how many of the other posters are in love, but I think if you asked yourself "How would I cope in that situation", it would be easier to muster some sympathy.
I don't know how many of the other posters are in love, but I think if you asked yourself "How would I cope in that situation", it would be easier to muster some sympathy.
By the way, Mark Speight as arrested on suspicion of murder and supplying Class A drugs.
However, it's important to remember that he was released without charge.
In answer to your original question VorVZakone, I think the police were absolutely right to arrest him in the circumstances.
There's no way anyone could've predicted how this story would end, and who's to say he wouldn't have taken his own life had they not arrested him?
However, it's important to remember that he was released without charge.
In answer to your original question VorVZakone, I think the police were absolutely right to arrest him in the circumstances.
There's no way anyone could've predicted how this story would end, and who's to say he wouldn't have taken his own life had they not arrested him?
I've been in a roughly similar situation, I would never want to see it again. I became unable to eat for about 3 weeks, lost 2 stone. I remember one of my friends was rude to a close relative of mine, they started taking it out on me. I was pleading for them not to, but they just kept on going. I was in control just fine, but just an emotional wreck, as happens to many people, and your system kind of shuts down, it's weird. Whether you come through it ok is to an extent contingent on who you run into at the time, a decent person who sees that you need a shimmy-up, or someone similar to some of the people on this thread.
"""By the way, Mark Speight as arrested on suspicion of murder and supplying Class A drugs.
However, it's important to remember that he was released without charge.
In answer to your original question VorVZakone, I think the police were absolutely right to arrest him in the circumstances.
There's no way anyone could've predicted how this story would end, and who's to say he wouldn't have taken his own life had they not arrested him? """
I'd love to hear what evidence there was (probable cause) to haul the guy in.
The police are professional interogators, they know the person they're dealing with. They say they offered him support blah blah, good for them recognising at least the need for that. You need someone proactive in that situation however, someone (like a family member or a friend) that FORCES him to seek psychiatric help (he was suffering from a deadly psychiatric condition). Had this happened he would have been sectioned probably,
However, it's important to remember that he was released without charge.
In answer to your original question VorVZakone, I think the police were absolutely right to arrest him in the circumstances.
There's no way anyone could've predicted how this story would end, and who's to say he wouldn't have taken his own life had they not arrested him? """
I'd love to hear what evidence there was (probable cause) to haul the guy in.
The police are professional interogators, they know the person they're dealing with. They say they offered him support blah blah, good for them recognising at least the need for that. You need someone proactive in that situation however, someone (like a family member or a friend) that FORCES him to seek psychiatric help (he was suffering from a deadly psychiatric condition). Had this happened he would have been sectioned probably,
VorVZakone
Initially he was arrested because the police believed he supplied his girlfriend with the coke.
I assume that once they found this wasn't the case, he was released.
When someone dies in suspicious circumstances like this, the police have a duty to ensure that the case is fully investigated - the girl's family would've wanted that <pure spec again>.
Initially he was arrested because the police believed he supplied his girlfriend with the coke.
I assume that once they found this wasn't the case, he was released.
When someone dies in suspicious circumstances like this, the police have a duty to ensure that the case is fully investigated - the girl's family would've wanted that <pure spec again>.
I don't mean for this to sound harsh and blame his family or anything, they're probably distraught over his death but they say he was still in turmoil over the death of his girlfriend, could they not have kept a closer eye on him and got him some kind of help, they must of noticed he wasn't himself. The news say he left two suicide notes in two different places before he hanged himself, I wonder why he done that?
I agree with you mate, but remember this is the UK, not China/GDR. You need a substantial reason to believe they need to be lifted. Finding someone's girlfriend in the bath, dead from burns and a probable coke od is not evidence that her boyfriend gave her drugs........In fact, seeing now that he was never charged, one wonders what evidence they had??????? Or did they just lift him anyway?
He had it firmly in his head that he was responsible for her death, I imagine that featured heavily on his mind when he took the final step. I'm also imagining a police interrogation would drive that kind of idea home.
I'm just toying with the idea that when we shoot people down for using drugs etc and deal with them through the legal system, whether we always take into account just how fragile the human mind can be, and how we owe it care. Prison suicides at an all time high. Coincidence?
He had it firmly in his head that he was responsible for her death, I imagine that featured heavily on his mind when he took the final step. I'm also imagining a police interrogation would drive that kind of idea home.
I'm just toying with the idea that when we shoot people down for using drugs etc and deal with them through the legal system, whether we always take into account just how fragile the human mind can be, and how we owe it care. Prison suicides at an all time high. Coincidence?
VorVZakone
Like you I totally don't judge Mark Speight and I feel genuinely gutted that he took the course of action which he felt was the only way out for him.
But let me put it you this way - it was reported that he'd been taking drugs with Natasha Collins that night. If he called the police in a distraught state, he may well have been blaming himself at that point. If he was saying, "It's all my fault", then the police actions would've been justified.
All of the above, once again, is pure supposition on my part. I'm sure the full picture will come out next month at the inquest.
Like you I totally don't judge Mark Speight and I feel genuinely gutted that he took the course of action which he felt was the only way out for him.
But let me put it you this way - it was reported that he'd been taking drugs with Natasha Collins that night. If he called the police in a distraught state, he may well have been blaming himself at that point. If he was saying, "It's all my fault", then the police actions would've been justified.
All of the above, once again, is pure supposition on my part. I'm sure the full picture will come out next month at the inquest.
well said, sp.
I hate seeing the image of him at the underground turnstile
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7337 977.stm
, the image of a guy pretty much alone with what had happened to him. The double blow of loss-of-fiance and loss-of-career probably left him in a state which would have healed over time, but which left him in need of real direct help which I don't think was provided. Did we fail him?
I hate seeing the image of him at the underground turnstile
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7337 977.stm
, the image of a guy pretty much alone with what had happened to him. The double blow of loss-of-fiance and loss-of-career probably left him in a state which would have healed over time, but which left him in need of real direct help which I don't think was provided. Did we fail him?
sp1814,
I'm sure the full picture will come out next month at the inquest but what picture will it paint.? A broken man left to take his own life rather than live without the one he loves. His g/f had a terrible ending to her life and I for one don't think he could cope with that and is probably the reason he ended his life. I don't think anyone else had a hand in it! He was a great kids presenter and to me you'd never have guessed he's taken any drugs. It's such a tragedy.
I'm sure the full picture will come out next month at the inquest but what picture will it paint.? A broken man left to take his own life rather than live without the one he loves. His g/f had a terrible ending to her life and I for one don't think he could cope with that and is probably the reason he ended his life. I don't think anyone else had a hand in it! He was a great kids presenter and to me you'd never have guessed he's taken any drugs. It's such a tragedy.
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