Pray to Allah?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-103178 4/Schoolboys-punished-detention-refusing-kneel -pray-Allah.html

Should this sort of thing be taught in our schools?

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.

This man should be sacked if he does not know what is being taught in his school.

[Oneeyedvic]

Should this sort of thing be taught in our schools?

Should it be taught - yes.
Should pupils be encouraged to take part in practical demonstrations - yes
Should pupils be forced to take part - No.


Should the deputy head know the syllabus of every subject for every age range - no it is no practical.

There are 7 year groups and I guess that there will be more than 15 types of lessons for each year.

[Oneeyedvic]

Are the parents irresponsible?:

"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.

[tigerlily11]

If this had been the other way round would the Muslim parents have reacted with such anger as these parents did and I would have done?
You bet your life they would have. Demostrations and all.

[Abdulmajid]

Awareness should be taught in school. But being forced to pray to a baby-raping phoney demi-God who advocates the rape of women, animals and children should NEVER be in schools.

I learnt about the French Revolution in my school and I can't remember having to enter the guillotine and having my head chopped off. Nor in Physical Geography did we have a trip to a Tsunami country to experience death and destruction.

Children should be taught of the horrors of islam not whatever minute details of kindness the koran mentions.

[naomi24]

This is completely and utterly wrong. The teacher wouldn't have to nerve to force Muslim children to kneel before an image of Christ, make the sign of the cross, and pray to God - and if he did their parents would be outraged, just as these parents are - and rightly so.

[Ethel]

As this is the Daily Mail with only one side of the story, I'll reserve judgement.

Obviously nobody should be forced to partake in any religious practice in this country.

[sp1814]

Therein lies the problem with stories derived from the Daily Mail. You always have to wait a few days for the real story to be printed by a more reputable source.

You have to take every story they write about Muslims with a large pinch of salt, because the Daily Mail only ever prints anti-Muslim stories.

It's like the anti-Tory stories that would run every day in The Daily Mirror back in the 80s. If journalists are unable or unwilling to write balanced reports then they should be ignored because they're simply trying to stir up racial tension.

However, in defense of the Daily Mail, they're also pretty good at stirring up hatred of Eastern Europeans, blacks and gays.

At least it's consistent!

[sp1814]

Oh, and yes - religious education should encompass all major religions - a scan through some of the hate-filled posts on AB shows that ignorance is alarmingly widespread.

However, all children should have the option of opting out of actually taking part in any faith act. Once a proper newspaper prints the real story, we'll have a better idea of what actually happened.

[mushroom25]

the telegraph have the story at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/School boys-disciplined-for-'refusing-to-pray-to-Alla h'.html

[naomi24]

It's in several other papers too SP. And it's not quite fair to call those who voice objection ignorant. That in itself is ignorant. If these were Muslim parents objecting to their children being forced to pray to Jesus, would you call them ignorant? I doubt it very much. The rights and wrongs of racial or religious prejudice only work one way for some it seems. I'm not religious, but I would object to this, and I would still object if it were Muslim children involved in a similar exercise. People hold their faith dear, and I can quite understand why those who are religious would be upset by it. It's one thing to teach children about other cultures, and other religions, but its quite another to do what this teacher did.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I was actually referring to the ignorance of several posters here on AB.

If you do a search on any thread relating to Muslims, you'll see the volume of hate...ironically the same kind of hate spewed by the vile Islamic fundamentalists.

[sp1814]

I am absolutely sure that if the Islamaphobes didn't have Muslims to hate, they would turn their attention to another minority.

I used to live near Bermondsey and I will never forget what happened to a Pakistani family whose child used to go to my primary school.

I have never had any problem whatsoever with any Muslim I have ever met. Their religion is hopelessly anti-gay, but on a personal level, I have been enriched by my friendship with the Muslims I have worked with and had as mates.

Believe me...I'd rather have them as friends than the filth who lived over the other side of the Old Kent Road!

[Ethel]

I have attended many public events - Remembrance Sunday is one - where people of all faiths stand respectfully whilst the Church of England vicar says the prayers. Those who wish to join in, those that don't stand quietly and possibly pray to their own gods.

I have also been to events that have been hosted by other faiths, and my choice not to join in with their prayers is respected and my presence is welcomed.

I suspect this is how it is and has been for the majority of people living in Britian for the past 50 years or more.

I would like to hear the teacher's version.

[naomi24]

Oh, thank you for that explanation, SP. Now I understand. I clealy misunderstood your posts. My apologies. :o)

[sp1814]

naomi24

No worries...and by the way everyone is to some extent ignorant about a million subjects. You could use 'lack of understanding' as a synonym for 'ignorant'.

[naomi24]

You could - but it wouldn't be understood in the same context.

[Abdulmajid]

SP,

You know I respect you. Regarding blacks and gaylords I hold no bias.

But..................

On one hand you vehemently slate The Daily Mail for stirring up homophobia and then admit islam is strongly anti-gay as well.

The UK has roughly two million muslims and The Daily Mail a readership of nearly 2.5 million.

I am certain if you had the power you would rid the UK of The Daily Mail yet openly respect muslims.

Call me sarcastic, but I can't ever recall The Daily Mail hanging, burning, torturing, imprisioning and beheading gaylords in the name of their news, can you???

I am afraid, therefore, your argument is seriously flawed.

It is like saying I totally hate The Beatles, but John, Paul, George and Ringo collectively wer in a very good band.

Surely a man of your calibre should wish to rule out homophobia in ALL guises. Be that in a national newspaper, on the streets on Britain, in the NHS, Police, and in the bloody Koran.

islam is evil, as simple as that.

And I have a CSE in woodwork, so I am not an ignorant as I may appear!!!!!

[beso]

I we are to have religious education it should also include proportionate time covering the views of those who believe that religion is unhealthy mind bending hogwash designed to control the feeble minded.

Bet you don't see that taught as part of the "balanced" view and yet athieism is a larger belief than some the religions covered in this kind of lesson.

Or try teaching the view that the more than 32 genocidal massacres committed by the Israelites as described in th Holy Bible is a disgusting crime against humanity.

Non-believers are being religiously persecuted. The laws covering religious freedom need to be updated to guarateee the rights of all.

[beso]

sp1814 used the worthless, trite defence dragged out time and time again by the religious. Look look, those over there are worse. They never dare enter into a genuine debate because their warpped morality would collapse on the first turn.

Not surprisingly however. The Abrahamic faiths are based on God guiding the "Chosen" to murder others with this very same justification. The strategy is still being repeated by despots across the planet this very minute.

Only when Jesus came along did this attitude moderate at all. However Jesus did not discard the wickedness of the Old Testament and advised people to turn their back on those who did not accept Him as the Son of God. Just another self absorbed nutcase.

History is littered with people like Abraham, Joshua, Moses,Solomon, Jesus, Mohammed, Ghengis Kahn, Napoleon, Hitler, Mao, David Koresh, Jimmy Jones, George W Bush and hundreds of others who became so enamoured with their own self importance they believed their every thought was guided by God.

Any their minions are willing to enforce it upon all by any means available. In this case they are trying to sneak it inot our schools.

The Judeo/Christian versus the Moslems altercation is a smoke screen that separates flavours of the same disgusting philosophy. Even Hitler's Holocoust was a way to gag the critics from pointing out the fundamental flaws that lie at the root of the Abrahamic faiths. Point out the entrenched evil in Judeaism or Islam and you get jumped on. The Christians were slightly more sophisticated and just point at anything else but refuse to debate.

You can see by the pathetic acceptance by the governemnts that they are backing the shared underlying principles. They have more in common with each other than difference. The true enemy is religion itself.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

You have to take every story they write about Muslims with a large pinch of salt, because the Daily Mail only ever prints anti-Muslim stories.

However, in defense of the Daily Mail, they're also pretty good at stirring up hatred of Eastern Europeans, blacks and gays.

How you wriggled your way out of the corner you had backed into, when mushroom25 provided the Telegraph link.

It was a pity naomi24 was so easily taken in when you changed tack and stated "I was actually referring to the ignorance of several posters here on AB."

No you wasn't you were trying to claim the Daily Mail was printing un-truths, until you were proven wrong.

You and others like you would like to stifle the free press of this country, and only allow publications that publish items that fit in with your own conjecture.