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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/arti cle2233878.ece
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! WTF is going on? the lad's kin 13 for christ sake and it's game over! A miserable existance on benefits for him and his older woman for the rest of their natural. What's the legal position?
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! WTF is going on? the lad's kin 13 for christ sake and it's game over! A miserable existance on benefits for him and his older woman for the rest of their natural. What's the legal position?
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Kelin Mackenzie, in yesterday's Sun (and before anybody rips in to me for reading The Sun I was waiting to get my hair cut - hand wringers take note) he described a scum female who, at 17, was having her third child and stated "it is nobody's business how many children I have". Mackenzie, quite rightly, said it is the business of every taxpayer how many kids she has, because it is us mugs that pay. And as sure as eggs are eggs, her children will go on to have kids that they exprect decent people to pay for because they know no different.
They are scum. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Anybody who tries to argue to the contrary is utterly delusional.
Okay on the basis, I want to know how much you drink. After all, drinking costs the country a vast amount in police, nhs resources etc. I also want to know what car you drive and how you drive it. If you are not driving it economically and within the speed limit it must be taken away from you - after all it is my taxes that have to pay for idiots who drive too fast and cause accidents.
Kelvin McKenzie is the worst of the worst - even when everyone tells him he is wrong (about Hillsborough), he still refused to apologise -rather believing his own variation of the truth.
He was also happy to print lies about Elton John which he agreed later were entirely fabricated but then again showed no remorse and said that Elton John should pay him the million pounds worth of damages back.
If you are happy to read the viewpoint of an egocentric liar, then I suspect that you are not really as intelligent as you think you are.
They are scum. Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
Anybody who tries to argue to the contrary is utterly delusional.
Okay on the basis, I want to know how much you drink. After all, drinking costs the country a vast amount in police, nhs resources etc. I also want to know what car you drive and how you drive it. If you are not driving it economically and within the speed limit it must be taken away from you - after all it is my taxes that have to pay for idiots who drive too fast and cause accidents.
Kelvin McKenzie is the worst of the worst - even when everyone tells him he is wrong (about Hillsborough), he still refused to apologise -rather believing his own variation of the truth.
He was also happy to print lies about Elton John which he agreed later were entirely fabricated but then again showed no remorse and said that Elton John should pay him the million pounds worth of damages back.
If you are happy to read the viewpoint of an egocentric liar, then I suspect that you are not really as intelligent as you think you are.
Your analogy equating this behaviour with driving and drinking is somewhat fatuous, vic.
The vast majority of people who drive or have a drink do not cost the taxpayer anything. In fact, they contribute huge sums to the exchequer in tax and duties they pay for the products and services they consume. Similarly the vast majority of people who have children do not place an excessive burden on the taxpayer.
Your argument may hold a little more water if you restricted it to those who drink excessively and cause trouble or injury to themselves or others, or to those who drive irresponsibly and cause accidents.
I hold no brief for Mr Mackenzie � he is about as sane and savoury as the dreadful rag that masquerades as a newspaper that he once edited. His choice of words when commenting on this matter may not be the best. But something needs to be done about the lifestyles that families such as those in this question are following. They are costing the country an absolute fortune and are creating massive problems � both financial and social.
If you cannot see that and are happy to continue to subsidise their wretched lives then I think you will find yourself in the minority.
The vast majority of people who drive or have a drink do not cost the taxpayer anything. In fact, they contribute huge sums to the exchequer in tax and duties they pay for the products and services they consume. Similarly the vast majority of people who have children do not place an excessive burden on the taxpayer.
Your argument may hold a little more water if you restricted it to those who drink excessively and cause trouble or injury to themselves or others, or to those who drive irresponsibly and cause accidents.
I hold no brief for Mr Mackenzie � he is about as sane and savoury as the dreadful rag that masquerades as a newspaper that he once edited. His choice of words when commenting on this matter may not be the best. But something needs to be done about the lifestyles that families such as those in this question are following. They are costing the country an absolute fortune and are creating massive problems � both financial and social.
If you cannot see that and are happy to continue to subsidise their wretched lives then I think you will find yourself in the minority.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4613803 /Boy-who-became-father-at-13-raises-worrying-q uestions.html
The schoolboy from Hailsham, East Sussex, was allowed to stay over at Chantelle's house after originally meeting through their mothers. He was often seen emerging in the morning in his school uniform.
Neighbours claimed that Chantelle's mother Penny, 38, had been Alfie's babysitter and cared for him at weekends to give his mother a break.
But the two young people soon became "inseparable" and were, it was claimed, allowed to sleep in the same bed.
Can this be true? Surely the parents (now grandparents) are in dereliction of duty towards their children.
The schoolboy from Hailsham, East Sussex, was allowed to stay over at Chantelle's house after originally meeting through their mothers. He was often seen emerging in the morning in his school uniform.
Neighbours claimed that Chantelle's mother Penny, 38, had been Alfie's babysitter and cared for him at weekends to give his mother a break.
But the two young people soon became "inseparable" and were, it was claimed, allowed to sleep in the same bed.
Can this be true? Surely the parents (now grandparents) are in dereliction of duty towards their children.
Well firstly no benefit should be given ! the parents or rather "grandparents"
should be responsable. After all they saw it quite acceptable that he spent nights
with her to the extent that he had a school uniform at her house so that he could go
straight to school ! how very organised !!!
The "grandparents" seem to have left these kids to themselves and thats not
acceptable, if your going to be a parent then BE ONE else don't have kids.
Child benefit should be given to people of a minimum age (like 25+ because even at
eighteen its too soon !!!). Child benefit should be given for 2 children only, then
we will see just how fast this "proliferation" ends.
I don't want to be nasty but this spounds to me very planned, yes what the hell is a
15 year old doing with an undeveloped 12 year old ? at that age 2 years is a big
difference. He is conveniently naive she probably praying he's old enough to
"generate". I repeat this is just a "possibility" and I accept that I may be wrong
as no one will ever no.
More importantly the child should be put up for adoption, the parents are too young
and financially cannot do it the grandparents too irresponsable.
The problem is with the way we have become as a society for a number of reasons.
Firstly there seems to be this have a child as an alternative to getting a job, and
yes marketting and manufacturers are to blame as well. they should not be allowed to
market items that are well.... indecent although I'm sure thats not a term you could
use legally morally it is. again and related to the current crisis it all boils down
to money.
should be responsable. After all they saw it quite acceptable that he spent nights
with her to the extent that he had a school uniform at her house so that he could go
straight to school ! how very organised !!!
The "grandparents" seem to have left these kids to themselves and thats not
acceptable, if your going to be a parent then BE ONE else don't have kids.
Child benefit should be given to people of a minimum age (like 25+ because even at
eighteen its too soon !!!). Child benefit should be given for 2 children only, then
we will see just how fast this "proliferation" ends.
I don't want to be nasty but this spounds to me very planned, yes what the hell is a
15 year old doing with an undeveloped 12 year old ? at that age 2 years is a big
difference. He is conveniently naive she probably praying he's old enough to
"generate". I repeat this is just a "possibility" and I accept that I may be wrong
as no one will ever no.
More importantly the child should be put up for adoption, the parents are too young
and financially cannot do it the grandparents too irresponsable.
The problem is with the way we have become as a society for a number of reasons.
Firstly there seems to be this have a child as an alternative to getting a job, and
yes marketting and manufacturers are to blame as well. they should not be allowed to
market items that are well.... indecent although I'm sure thats not a term you could
use legally morally it is. again and related to the current crisis it all boils down
to money.
but really parents need to be made more accountable for their children and of course
given more power to control them. A 13 year old may not know right from wrong so
needs that imposed upon him until he can make his own responsable and judged choices. Of course at the moment the father cannot stop him seeing the girl if he wanted to, if he wants to leave the house he can if he is physically restrained I beleive he could prosecute his father. Of course this is not the case here and grandad seems as naive as his child.
Of course the media are also having a feast, and I am worried at the idea that the sun has the exsclusive, this must have cost them oops there we are again back to money. This story needs reporting fairly not as a tabloid money maker, they can twist things any way they like theres no one to show the other side of it if they do.
Of course the way things workout these days you can be lucky to get a day time job making having time with children even harder, its a big vicious circle and in the end at the root of it is making as much money as possible.
I lived in Italy for 15 years, things like this just don't happen, thats worrying theres something wrong with this country in so many ways so so wrong
given more power to control them. A 13 year old may not know right from wrong so
needs that imposed upon him until he can make his own responsable and judged choices. Of course at the moment the father cannot stop him seeing the girl if he wanted to, if he wants to leave the house he can if he is physically restrained I beleive he could prosecute his father. Of course this is not the case here and grandad seems as naive as his child.
Of course the media are also having a feast, and I am worried at the idea that the sun has the exsclusive, this must have cost them oops there we are again back to money. This story needs reporting fairly not as a tabloid money maker, they can twist things any way they like theres no one to show the other side of it if they do.
Of course the way things workout these days you can be lucky to get a day time job making having time with children even harder, its a big vicious circle and in the end at the root of it is making as much money as possible.
I lived in Italy for 15 years, things like this just don't happen, thats worrying theres something wrong with this country in so many ways so so wrong
Really OEV, is there any need for personal insults?
Once again, your analogies do not stand-up to even the slightest of scrutiny, so before bandying about insults concerning another poster's intelligence, or rather lack of intelligence, you really should consider some of your own posts.
Kelvin Mackenzie may be all that you have said - I wouldn't know as I know very little about him - but being a dislikable person does not necessarilly mean he is wrong.
Do you understand?
Once again, your analogies do not stand-up to even the slightest of scrutiny, so before bandying about insults concerning another poster's intelligence, or rather lack of intelligence, you really should consider some of your own posts.
Kelvin Mackenzie may be all that you have said - I wouldn't know as I know very little about him - but being a dislikable person does not necessarilly mean he is wrong.
Do you understand?
There is never a need to insult people's intelligence or be rude. The reason I left this thread was due to OEV's rudeness to me when I questioned that it was unnatural and unhealthy for a fifteen year old girl to lust after a child that looked about 8 years old. I see others are now questioning that he is, in fact, the father in view of his obvious physical immaturity. It does make you think!!
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