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Why should gays not be allowed to adopt?
The Sherman asked me the above in another thread, I thought it should be a general discussion as a reasonable Geezer I thought I'd create a separate thread. I give my own reasons here: 1. 2 dads/mums = a Nuclear bullying weapon = damged child. 2. Children need 2 parents 1 of each. 3. It is artificial and not what biology intended. 4. Left to their own devices same sex couples can not reproduce, hence are not geared up for bringing up children. 5. Children should not be induced into thinking that having 2 dads/mums is the norm. OK I accept that there are a lot of children whose normal upbringing leaves a lot to be desired, we are not talking about those. I fully accept that homosexuals are part of society and should live comfortable fulfilling lives but I will never accept that they should be any where near children. Oh and before you ask, no I'm not a Muslim.
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all adoption is artificial, so it should probably be stamped out altogether. And of course nature did not intend single mums to have children with husbands who vanish, so their kids should be removed from them. Left to their own devices infertile couples can not reproduce, so should not be allowed to adopt (even though they're the most likely to do so)... and so on.
No delusions, here is a Q fom a few weeks back ilustrating what I mean
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question68 9919.html
Ah yes, of course, the good old link to one news story.
Well look, if you want to play that game, how about I provide a link to a heterosexual couple who adopted and then abused their child? Would you be happy if I said - see they are all at it. People should not be able to adopt children at all. Would you be happy with that?
How many adoptions are there annually? How many of those go to parents of the same sex? How many applications are there from prospective parents? These are ffactual questions which need to be answered rather than your gut instinct and the odd news story.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question68 9919.html
Ah yes, of course, the good old link to one news story.
Well look, if you want to play that game, how about I provide a link to a heterosexual couple who adopted and then abused their child? Would you be happy if I said - see they are all at it. People should not be able to adopt children at all. Would you be happy with that?
How many adoptions are there annually? How many of those go to parents of the same sex? How many applications are there from prospective parents? These are ffactual questions which need to be answered rather than your gut instinct and the odd news story.
Please think of the children .They will probably be ok with single sex couples until they get to school.But then just imagine the taunts and jibes---(why have you got two mums and no dad etc or two dads and no mum?). What are the poor kids to think? School has always been tough and a nightmare for some kids who get bullied. It used to be 'specky 4 eyes, fatso. skinny ribs,teachers pet, smelly pants etc. Life could be unbearable for the kids with 2 dads or 2mums !! Think about the children.
Wherever practical, children should be fostered by gay men or lesbians. Boys brought up by gay men are never overweight and know which colour curtains should be hung in a room which is painted aubergine and girls brought by lesbians are able to diagnose engine problems in a Ford Focus.
If you leave child rearing to the straights, you get a nation of lads who go drinking and fighting and girls who get pregnant whilst simultaneously chomping on a diner kebab in the car park near Lidl.
Straight people are generally fantastic parents, but they gays are better because they have to prove that they can be fantastic parents.
If you want to look at they stats, ask yourself 'how many of our prison population come from gay parents?'
I think we know the answer to that!
If you leave child rearing to the straights, you get a nation of lads who go drinking and fighting and girls who get pregnant whilst simultaneously chomping on a diner kebab in the car park near Lidl.
Straight people are generally fantastic parents, but they gays are better because they have to prove that they can be fantastic parents.
If you want to look at they stats, ask yourself 'how many of our prison population come from gay parents?'
I think we know the answer to that!
Why do you find that so surprising?
Because you're other arguments have a rough parenthood concern to them. To take an example, if you went with your first point, you'd end up saying to same-sex couples 'you can't adopt because the child will likely get very badly bullied'.
As I've said previously, I don't think that's right, but there is an argument present. That's a far cry from saying a couple can't adopt for no reason other than that both of them have the same reproductive organs.
The difference is that the first argument is 'rationalised' (as I say, I think it's wrong, but the reasoning is visible), whereas the second one is just ignorant. If you can't tell the difference then I'm completely aghast.
Because you're other arguments have a rough parenthood concern to them. To take an example, if you went with your first point, you'd end up saying to same-sex couples 'you can't adopt because the child will likely get very badly bullied'.
As I've said previously, I don't think that's right, but there is an argument present. That's a far cry from saying a couple can't adopt for no reason other than that both of them have the same reproductive organs.
The difference is that the first argument is 'rationalised' (as I say, I think it's wrong, but the reasoning is visible), whereas the second one is just ignorant. If you can't tell the difference then I'm completely aghast.
andres, you say think of the children, but are you really thinking of the children? Yes, they may be ridiculed, but children - even those with a mother and a father, and a stable home life - are ridiculed at school for a variety of reasons. That's life unfortunately, and ridicule is something that most people have to learn to deal with at some time in their lives. No one can protect children from life completely, but if you condemn a child to a life in care for the reason you've given, then when it is ridiculed for some other reason, who is going to support it, and give it a cuddle and wipe its tears? No one. The child is on its own.
I would agree that in an ideal world, every child should have a caring mother and father, but this world is far from ideal, and we must acknowledge that. If it's a choice between two loving parents of the same sex, and a life in care, I know which I'd choose.
I would agree that in an ideal world, every child should have a caring mother and father, but this world is far from ideal, and we must acknowledge that. If it's a choice between two loving parents of the same sex, and a life in care, I know which I'd choose.
Listen everyone I take all your points about abuse etc etc, it can ahppen and yes normal couples can be bad.
Originally I asked the question really on behalf of sherman and I thought,rightly, it seems that a good debate would ensue.
All I've done really is put my opinion and invited yours, thanks for giving it.
Do you think anyone ever changes there view of something in a discussion like this?
Originally I asked the question really on behalf of sherman and I thought,rightly, it seems that a good debate would ensue.
All I've done really is put my opinion and invited yours, thanks for giving it.
Do you think anyone ever changes there view of something in a discussion like this?
Do you think anyone ever changes there view of something in a discussion like this?
Can't speak for anyone else, but I know I've certainly reconsidered my stance on various things due to arguments with various people both online and offline (funnily enough, I was actually swayed to pro side on this particular issue as a result of an argument I had with someone). I kinda thought that was the point.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I know I've certainly reconsidered my stance on various things due to arguments with various people both online and offline (funnily enough, I was actually swayed to pro side on this particular issue as a result of an argument I had with someone). I kinda thought that was the point.
Why not go one step further and create a society where unless for genuine reasons people would not have to look after others children.
Why not have a proper family system, laws to encourage instead of discouraging where parents should be responsible for what they have brought in this world and should sacrifice their enjoyment to fulfil their duties.
After all it has been the case in the past.
Why not have a proper family system, laws to encourage instead of discouraging where parents should be responsible for what they have brought in this world and should sacrifice their enjoyment to fulfil their duties.
After all it has been the case in the past.
As above I believe that to same sex people are a bad environment in which to bring up children for the reasons given. 1-5 above in the question.
I don't know what more I can say. Can anyone please help me to understand what Jack is getting at, as it's going right over my head at the moment, I thought I was being clear.
I don't know what more I can say. Can anyone please help me to understand what Jack is getting at, as it's going right over my head at the moment, I thought I was being clear.
Hi Naomi - the link was a quote from R1 Geezer so is accessible from his original post but here it is again for you:
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question68 9919.html
Sadly R1, it seems that children will ridicule same sex parents as 'people like you' think that it is something to be ridiculed.
Children are perceptive and take on the attributes of their parents. If a child sees his parents talking about 'bloody foreigners' chances are that he will become racist - until he has the reasoning capabilities to challenge his own and his parents view.
If society has a problem with parents of the same sex, then children will pick up on this and bully the child.
If you can come up with a reasonable argument (ie backed up by facts as opposed to prejudice), then I (and many others) will listen and challenge your own (as well as our own) views.
like Krom, I have changed my opinion when reasonable viewpoints have superseded my own.
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question68 9919.html
Sadly R1, it seems that children will ridicule same sex parents as 'people like you' think that it is something to be ridiculed.
Children are perceptive and take on the attributes of their parents. If a child sees his parents talking about 'bloody foreigners' chances are that he will become racist - until he has the reasoning capabilities to challenge his own and his parents view.
If society has a problem with parents of the same sex, then children will pick up on this and bully the child.
If you can come up with a reasonable argument (ie backed up by facts as opposed to prejudice), then I (and many others) will listen and challenge your own (as well as our own) views.
like Krom, I have changed my opinion when reasonable viewpoints have superseded my own.
OK, deconstructing your 1 -5 reasons in the OP.
1. Incorrect assumption; although this is an opinion.
2. Incorrect assumtion; although this does appear to have been given some consideration.
3. The phrase 'not what biology intended' is clumsy and offers no subjective opinion.
4. first part - A biological fact; second part - utterly fatuous and not expanded upon.
5. Subjective opinion.
"I will never accept that they should be anywhere near children" highly offensive and not explained.............
1. Incorrect assumption; although this is an opinion.
2. Incorrect assumtion; although this does appear to have been given some consideration.
3. The phrase 'not what biology intended' is clumsy and offers no subjective opinion.
4. first part - A biological fact; second part - utterly fatuous and not expanded upon.
5. Subjective opinion.
"I will never accept that they should be anywhere near children" highly offensive and not explained.............
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