Migrant workers, do we realy need them?

[R1Geezer]

Ok bear with me, I tend to agree with the general belief that there are thousands of jobs that need doing and our workshy layabout parisites won't get off the sofa because the money is shite. Ok with me so far? What if we had no migrants what if there was literally no one to do those jobs? What if market forces where unchecked? Would, heaven forbid, employers have to offer more dosh? Would that start to tempt the workshy from in front of their plasmas? Supply and demand, no workers? wages increase, and yes prices too probably. What I'm really asking is: is the belief that we need sqillions of migrant workers to do the jobs our own dole dossers won't, a flawed one, based on the current tendency to kerb market forces in favour of a new protectionism?

[123everton]

Have you seen the state of our home grown losers?
Would you really want that scruffy unwashed ner-do-well serving you soup in a restaurant?
Would you trust them to clean your office space either well or without robbing things?
I wouldn't.
A while ago a Polish woman got on the bus (my age) she asked for her fare in good English politely her teenaged daughter followed (aged about 14) she spoke very little English, but still enough to say please at the end of her request.
Immigrants are often offered work not just because they are cheaper but because they are the best for that job.
Ask yourself this, how many times have you been in a takeaway or in a restaurant where a gang of drunk and stupid men have been verbally and racially abusing the staff?
Have you ever seen the staff react to it?
Me neither.

[Gromit]

Prices would go through the roof and we would be uncompetative, leading to imports being cheaper than our home produced products. That would create more unemployment and result in more money being paid in welfare payments from our taxes. Taxes would have to rise, resulting in us all having less money to spend, and even more job loses.

[Gromit]

But on the plus side, all those beastly foreigners that you read about would go away.

[ummmm]

I've yet to meet someone who can live on benefits. Everyone I know who's claimed benefits for one reason or another has got into debt while looking for another job.

I couldn't even feed my family on benefits let alone pay the bills.

[Gromit]

Which Government is going to slash benefits, and how long would they last?

[123everton]

Lucy makes a fair point, but, I see lots of these losers (Jeremy Kyle fodder) daily.
They are unemployable.
I'd swap em (cheerfully) for immigrants.
In fact I'll post on S & C about it in a moment.

[daffy654]

I don't know how much you lot think benefit claimants get but it definitely is not enough to buy a plasma TV or go on foreign holidays. If anyone on benefit does have these things it is either because they are fiddling the system (working and claiming etc.), they have been gifted them,or saved for many months/years for them.

[Gromit]

More than one in six UK homes which house at least one person of working age does not have anyone in employment, official statistics show.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8222145.stm

I can't see Cameron promising to slash their benefit and still get elected.

[123everton]

I know a bloke whose on nearly £300 a week disability, smokes a lot of weed too.

[jake-the-peg]

I'd be interested to know which of you with such strong opinions have ever been unemployed.

I'll start - I was unemployed for about 5 months about 14 years ago

[123everton]

I was unemployed for about 6 months 20 years ago.

[Jan1957]

I have been unemployed since June last year due to disability, and I do not get anywhere near £300 a week. I'd like to know how the bloke you know does it 123everton?

[123everton]

So would I Jan, but that's what he says, and he wasn't being arsey when he said it either.

[Jan1957]

I think there are some people who just know the system really well and claim for everything. Unfortunately I'm not one of them.

[daffy654]

Everton123...if your mate is a single man over the age of 25 the most he can claim in disability benefits is £183.75. That is the total of the highest rate of all benefits available to him in those circumstances. So I think he must be lying to you (unless he is counting council tax and housing benefit in the total).

[daffy654]

sorry, that should be *123everton*.

[R1Geezer]

District, 6) supply and demand means if there is more demand than supply the price goes up to the point where there is no longer a disparity, ie the shortage in labourt is not really a shortage in labour it's just that the wages are not tempting enough.