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To point the finger at schools and the education system in general is completely wrong. Parents and guardians have a duty also to monitor the very basics with their children. Do they all take time out to ensure that their kids can read, write and add up? Do they spend time with them?
There's no use giving schools a hard time when the parents themselves couldn't give a t0ss about their own children.
Besides, not all kids are bright, some are as thick as two short planks. Is that the fault of schools?
What's that saying?......Oh, yes...."You can't polish a t*rd".
There's no use giving schools a hard time when the parents themselves couldn't give a t0ss about their own children.
Besides, not all kids are bright, some are as thick as two short planks. Is that the fault of schools?
What's that saying?......Oh, yes...."You can't polish a t*rd".
Criticism of the education system is always stock fodder of the reactionary.
I'll bet a fair number tut tutting at educational standards are themselves the product of what was called trendy Liberal education of the 70's.
I have no idea how I could possibly be one such product and still have two neurons to rub together.
My experience of schools at the moment ( I have two school age children and see it quite close) is that there is a wide variation in standards - some very good - some much less so.
I think that's pretty much in line with what Ofstead are saying
Certainly the biggest variation I see is in Buckinghamshire where the Grammar school is very good, the independant schools pick up the (overwhelmingly middle class kids) that don't make the grade and the secondary moderns are particularly poor.
A lot of the problems I see seems to be with poor teacher morale - high staff turnover, high staff absenteeism.
Certainly a return to the grammar school system would make things worse.
I suspect that allowing schools to opt out of local authority control will not help to address problems where they exist either - especially where headmasters exert a lot of sway with the boards of Governers.
I'll bet a fair number tut tutting at educational standards are themselves the product of what was called trendy Liberal education of the 70's.
I have no idea how I could possibly be one such product and still have two neurons to rub together.
My experience of schools at the moment ( I have two school age children and see it quite close) is that there is a wide variation in standards - some very good - some much less so.
I think that's pretty much in line with what Ofstead are saying
Certainly the biggest variation I see is in Buckinghamshire where the Grammar school is very good, the independant schools pick up the (overwhelmingly middle class kids) that don't make the grade and the secondary moderns are particularly poor.
A lot of the problems I see seems to be with poor teacher morale - high staff turnover, high staff absenteeism.
Certainly a return to the grammar school system would make things worse.
I suspect that allowing schools to opt out of local authority control will not help to address problems where they exist either - especially where headmasters exert a lot of sway with the boards of Governers.
vulcan....I quite understand that statement.
But Ofsted is comparing two moments in time some ten years apart and illustrating what most people know and Industry has told us, that certain aspects of Education has markedly declined i,e the 3Rs.
Now are the 3R's important in today's world? Does it matter if one cannot spell?
To me that was not the point of the review, which asked the question of "Education, Education, Education", has it improved and do we get value for our money?
There are and always will be good and bad teachers.
But Ofsted is comparing two moments in time some ten years apart and illustrating what most people know and Industry has told us, that certain aspects of Education has markedly declined i,e the 3Rs.
Now are the 3R's important in today's world? Does it matter if one cannot spell?
To me that was not the point of the review, which asked the question of "Education, Education, Education", has it improved and do we get value for our money?
There are and always will be good and bad teachers.
jake
"Criticism of the education system is always stock fodder of the reactionary."....Eh? Ofsted...reactionary?
"called trendy Liberal education of the 70's"....What had the Liberals to do with education in the 70's?
"I have no idea how I could possibly be one such product and still have two neurons to rub together." I didn't that you were only 25years old jake and was at school between 1997-2009 which was the nucleus of the Ofsted report.
"Certainly a return to the grammar school system would make things worse." Worse for whom?
The Grammar Schools epitomized, smartness, respect, discipline, esprit de corps and were available to all who had an interest in studying.....working class, middle class and upper classes.
"Criticism of the education system is always stock fodder of the reactionary."....Eh? Ofsted...reactionary?
"called trendy Liberal education of the 70's"....What had the Liberals to do with education in the 70's?
"I have no idea how I could possibly be one such product and still have two neurons to rub together." I didn't that you were only 25years old jake and was at school between 1997-2009 which was the nucleus of the Ofsted report.
"Certainly a return to the grammar school system would make things worse." Worse for whom?
The Grammar Schools epitomized, smartness, respect, discipline, esprit de corps and were available to all who had an interest in studying.....working class, middle class and upper classes.
Heres a story to make your blood boil Sqad:
http://www.lep.co.uk/...-only-four.5847784.jp
It did have 14 pages of comments attached to it until the newspaper removed them all.Mostly folks were cominng down hard on the parents.This story was also picked up by the BBC and Daily Mail afterwards,the mother was even on our local BBC news programme last night.
http://www.lep.co.uk/...-only-four.5847784.jp
It did have 14 pages of comments attached to it until the newspaper removed them all.Mostly folks were cominng down hard on the parents.This story was also picked up by the BBC and Daily Mail afterwards,the mother was even on our local BBC news programme last night.
daffy.....there will now be an argument.......is it the teachers to blame? Is it society to blame? Are the parents to blame?......Let's get him a councillor .............and all that goes with it.
Tell me daffy....is it the same in your experience........expulsion form school 25yrs ago was a stigma that one hoped would never befall one.
Funny old world eh?
Tell me daffy....is it the same in your experience........expulsion form school 25yrs ago was a stigma that one hoped would never befall one.
Funny old world eh?
I would have been mortified to be expelled from school Sqad.It had a stigma attached to it even in the 80's.
My son was excluded from primary school in year 6 for a period of 1 week.He had a fight with another boy in the playground,the other boy had kicked him in the testicles and my son retaliated (poor impulse control due to Asperger Syndrome).The other boy's father is a police officer who threatened to sue the school unless my son was excluded.I do agree my son should have been punished (he recieved punishment at home too),but the exclusion was very biased,when previously my son was held against the fence by 5 boys,was kicked repeatedly and had his trousers removed,the culprits recieved no punishment at all.
My son was excluded from primary school in year 6 for a period of 1 week.He had a fight with another boy in the playground,the other boy had kicked him in the testicles and my son retaliated (poor impulse control due to Asperger Syndrome).The other boy's father is a police officer who threatened to sue the school unless my son was excluded.I do agree my son should have been punished (he recieved punishment at home too),but the exclusion was very biased,when previously my son was held against the fence by 5 boys,was kicked repeatedly and had his trousers removed,the culprits recieved no punishment at all.
"You'll now be told that this and ADHD are just made up excuses by parents who've not brought up their children properly."
My son has a statement of special educational needs,he attended a special school from age 4 until age 7,then transferred to mainstream.There is no doubt in my mind or that of his doctors and educational psychologist that my son has Aspergers Syndrome,he shows classic symptoms of the disorder.He is one of the most intelligent 12 year olds you could ever wish to meet though and his behaviour,whilst challenging at times,is very good.
I am quite used to people saying disparaging things about my son and others with similar conditions,I don't like it though and am usually very vocal in defence. :-)
My son has a statement of special educational needs,he attended a special school from age 4 until age 7,then transferred to mainstream.There is no doubt in my mind or that of his doctors and educational psychologist that my son has Aspergers Syndrome,he shows classic symptoms of the disorder.He is one of the most intelligent 12 year olds you could ever wish to meet though and his behaviour,whilst challenging at times,is very good.
I am quite used to people saying disparaging things about my son and others with similar conditions,I don't like it though and am usually very vocal in defence. :-)
There is an old saying," those that can,do. those that can't, teach".There is a third line which a lot of people don't know, it says "those that can't teach become inspectors"
Miss Gilbert states" the problem begins at primary school.30% of 11 year olds fail to reach basic standards in both english and maths".I find it strange then, that the inspectors think the teacher is good enough to inspire 70% but not good enough to inspire the remainder and it's his/her fault. For every person wishing to teach, there are thirty-two not wishing to be taught and is it not reasonable that 30%
of these are incapable of being taught. I agree sqad,there will always be good and bad teachers but there will also good and bad children. To leave them out of the equation is very unfair to teachers.
Miss Gilbert states" the problem begins at primary school.30% of 11 year olds fail to reach basic standards in both english and maths".I find it strange then, that the inspectors think the teacher is good enough to inspire 70% but not good enough to inspire the remainder and it's his/her fault. For every person wishing to teach, there are thirty-two not wishing to be taught and is it not reasonable that 30%
of these are incapable of being taught. I agree sqad,there will always be good and bad teachers but there will also good and bad children. To leave them out of the equation is very unfair to teachers.
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