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The Yorkshire Ripper!
Wants to be paroled never, in my eyes life means life!!
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Mr Justice Mitting, quoted in The Times, told the High Court that evidence of paranoid schizophrenia at the time of the offences could not affect the question of parole but might be grounds for an appeal against conviction on the basis that the accused could plead 'diminished responsibility' (i.e. that the proper verdicts were manslaughter instead). I don't know where Mr Justice Mitting did his criminal law (I suspect nowhere; he must have been a civil practitioner) but he's talking nonsense.To succeed that would mean that Sutcliffe had suffered an abnormality of mind such as to substantially reduce his liability on some twenty separate occasions.The defence is intended for cases of someone who is essentially and normally sane but who who suffers a spell of what we might loosely call 'temporary insanity' in the circumstances of the crime or who is mentally retarded.It is not for those who are essentially and long-term insane with e.g established paranoid schizophrenia. His Lordship has read the book but not understood it !
Sutcliffe tried , at his trial, to hoodwink the jury by claiming he heard voices telling him to kill, a defence utterly demolished in cross-examination.Had he , in fact, been insane there would have been expert medical evidence and he'd have been sent straight to Broadmoor (and died there)'
He will certainly die in jail (or, if now insane, in Broadmoor, on transfer).He has a legal right to be heard, but it's a hopeless case for him.
Sutcliffe tried , at his trial, to hoodwink the jury by claiming he heard voices telling him to kill, a defence utterly demolished in cross-examination.Had he , in fact, been insane there would have been expert medical evidence and he'd have been sent straight to Broadmoor (and died there)'
He will certainly die in jail (or, if now insane, in Broadmoor, on transfer).He has a legal right to be heard, but it's a hopeless case for him.
modeller, what is your authority for saying that a) there are 12,000 murderers in British prisons i.e. convicted of murder b) that one was released after 16 months, and c) that 2,000 were released in less than 6 years ? Who was the lucky murderer who served 16 months? At least some of those figures sound intriguing,at best.
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fredpuli If you go to the Ministry of Justice and HM Prison service sites you can get all figures for crimes . John Reid made a statement in the house concerning the release of murderers in 06 and the article 390532/53 in the daily mail details the number having served less than 6 years and one who had served only 16 months . As you know they don't normally release actual names. You will have dig deep into some of the current early release figures admitted by Jack Straw as he hides the murder figures within the Violence to Persons figures but he did admit 200 odd murderers were in also in open prisons from which a number have adsconded.
It seems illogical that anybody who terminated the lives of so many women in such brutal circumstances could ever be released. He is either guilty of a crime so serious he can never be trusted again to be free, to potentially continue his spree, or he is clinically mad (which since he is in Broadmoor, suggests that this is the case,) in which case there is little evidence that he can be "cured" and even if so, could be trusted not to continue with his mad campaign.
However he is not so mad that he has seen fit to change his name to Peter Coonan!
Sorry, nice try, Pete, but you need to be locked up for ever!
However he is not so mad that he has seen fit to change his name to Peter Coonan!
Sorry, nice try, Pete, but you need to be locked up for ever!
modeller;. there are not 12,000 murderers in British prisons. There are some 6,000 lifers at present, according to the official from the Association of Probation Officers on Sky News this morning.
. In 2008, there were 10,911 prisoners serving life or ;indeterminate sentences for public protection'.Of those 4,170 were in the later category leaving 6,741 serving life.(Not all of these are murderers. They include rapists, arsonists and other serious offenders for whom life imprisonment was the sentence)
There were 648 homicides ( murders, manslaughters and infanticides ) recorded last year. That's the lowest for some years. The usual number is closer to 700.
If 2,000 murderers were really released last year that would be one third of all the people serving life .At that rate the jails would have no murderers in them at all in very short order ! Since there were only 648 homicides of all kinds, we'd be releasing at three times the rate of new homicide prisoners (not just murderers) that we took in in the year whilst releasing all serving prisoners in three years
Released after 16 months . Impossible since a minimum term is always set and a person cannot be released before then. No judge would set a minimum term of 16 months.It may be that years ago, when no mimimum was set , that was theoretically possible, but would not happen in fact because he'd have served the equivalent of about a 3 year sentence, less than the sentences for s18 gbh or manslaughter.
It being the Daily Mail that you say gave this, one would suspect that the author has been playing with words. A murderer could be released from a British jail after 16 months if he proved to be insane and was transferred to Broadmoor (which is a secure hospital, not a jail) or if he was deported to serve the rest of his sentence abroad (in practice he'd normally serve more than that here)
. In 2008, there were 10,911 prisoners serving life or ;indeterminate sentences for public protection'.Of those 4,170 were in the later category leaving 6,741 serving life.(Not all of these are murderers. They include rapists, arsonists and other serious offenders for whom life imprisonment was the sentence)
There were 648 homicides ( murders, manslaughters and infanticides ) recorded last year. That's the lowest for some years. The usual number is closer to 700.
If 2,000 murderers were really released last year that would be one third of all the people serving life .At that rate the jails would have no murderers in them at all in very short order ! Since there were only 648 homicides of all kinds, we'd be releasing at three times the rate of new homicide prisoners (not just murderers) that we took in in the year whilst releasing all serving prisoners in three years
Released after 16 months . Impossible since a minimum term is always set and a person cannot be released before then. No judge would set a minimum term of 16 months.It may be that years ago, when no mimimum was set , that was theoretically possible, but would not happen in fact because he'd have served the equivalent of about a 3 year sentence, less than the sentences for s18 gbh or manslaughter.
It being the Daily Mail that you say gave this, one would suspect that the author has been playing with words. A murderer could be released from a British jail after 16 months if he proved to be insane and was transferred to Broadmoor (which is a secure hospital, not a jail) or if he was deported to serve the rest of his sentence abroad (in practice he'd normally serve more than that here)
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