Spare the rod and spoil the child.

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/6jc46cp

Although technically wrong, don't others agree that this young man will take more notice of his Dad's actions than anything the police and the authorities would be prepared to punish him with?

[Sqad]

Lofty....the treatment of your children and Andy´s is not in dispute...........anecdotal but acceptable.

Now, since physical chastisement has been outlawed......do we feel safer in our streets at night (and I don´t mean in rural Norfolk)
I am sure that there are statistics that show varying levels of crime among teenagers and young adults compared to say 1970, but I ask again:

"Has this reduced the rate of physical violence and if so is it due to outlawing of physical violence in chastising children?"

The answer I fear, to both questions is ...NO

[LoftyLottie]

Sorry, I think a clip around the head anywhere IS physical violence. I am not playing with words.

[askyourgran]

I agree with you inclink

[Zeuhl]

<<a beating? a good kicking?
Are we on the same thread? >>

Yes.
If you think physical violence is a useful aid to learning that <<actions have consequences>> it is only a matter of degree surely?

[LoftyLottie]

The outlawing of physical violence will not have made a scrap of difference to those who use physical violence to punish their kids Sqad. Who is going to even know that the kids are being punished physically in their own homes.

Therefore the statistics are unlikely to reflect the law.

In general it is is the kids of people that are punished with physical violence (I don't mean a slap on the wrist or back of leg) are those that will be violent and cause problems. It is learned behaviour. Kids initially learn from their parents and that learning in the early years is what is the most crucial to our behaviour and attitudes.

Well, that is my opinion anyway!

[Sqad]

zeuhl

<<If you think physical violence is a useful aid to learning that <<actions have consequences>> it is only a matter of degree surely?<<<

Can we replace the word "disciplining" for "learning" in the above statement, then I do think that physical contact is acceptable.

[LoftyLottie]

Anyway, I don't think people smack their kids to teach them how to behave - I think they smack them because they are annoyed, angry, tired, or at the end of their tether. The thought of a smack might stop a child doing something naughty, but that is for reasons of fear only.

[Zeuhl]

Sqad

You always think <<physical contact is acceptable>>

[Zeuhl]

And as for your interest in <<disciplining>> !!!

[askyourgran]

Zeuhl, if a boss of mine had assaulted me or one of my family in the workplace he would be very sorry indeed. We are talking of parential control of children. Smacking has been outlawed, but teaching a child right from wrong from an early age is vital, not by smacking a very young child. No-one can be sure that he/she doesn't end up in a young offenders institution, but if you cannot make the lesson stick then you should chastise them.

[Zeuhl]

Inclink

Fair enough. I think we can all agree that hitting kids around the head isn't ideal.

Nor is having one of your kids arrested for burglary.

As the guy in question had managed both he probably isn't a great role model or contender for 'Parent of the Year.
:-)

[Sqad]

zeuhl.....I considered it my function as a father and then, I had the choice......which of course I wouldn't have now.

[B00]

I'm with sqad on this on.

If I child of mine was hauled off to the police station, i'd do more than cuff him round the ear, i'd make sure the little sod couldn't sit down for a week.

[Zeuhl]

<<physical contact and disciplining>> as a father!

Sorry, i thought you were referring to your leisure activities.

[B00]

*on this one*

[tamborine]

Not right to strike the head, a good kick or pinch should sort young-uns.

[Zeuhl]

<<a good kick or pinch should sort young-uns. >>

LOL

or try a chinese burn then pistol-whipping.