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Hi Sam, I've not read all the other threads but i have to say there is a huge difference between Gypsies and travellers. these days they are confused with one another and thought to be one and the same but they are definitely not the same. Gypsies were good people who were clean and tidy and never left the mess that so called travellers (wasters imo) do! The gypsies were very proud people and a world away from travellers!
you did say ALL!!
and when asked to explain you just got huffy and couldn't back up this claim so your 'argument' collapsed.
now you say you didn't mean all...?
well thats what a number of others on here said to you - and you wouldn't have it!!
mmm...good back tracking
and you do need to grow up if you think that the actions of a few people justify condemning a whole community and race, and, if you think you can make ridiculous sweeping statements and no-one will challenge them
and when asked to explain you just got huffy and couldn't back up this claim so your 'argument' collapsed.
now you say you didn't mean all...?
well thats what a number of others on here said to you - and you wouldn't have it!!
mmm...good back tracking
and you do need to grow up if you think that the actions of a few people justify condemning a whole community and race, and, if you think you can make ridiculous sweeping statements and no-one will challenge them
Sam, I have been around travellers my entire life, both the Rom and what some people in Ireland call Kn4ckers,in England and in Ireland, and I can earnestly tell you that there are good and bad in all of them. I have lived and worked with them and I speak Romanis, so tell me please since you know so much about them how you have the nerve to moan about people "unfairly" blaming the Rom for the ill deeds of what you are saying are Irish tinkers when the Romany people have little or no repspect for "gorgi's" like you, or even their own half bred kin (didikai's) or quarter bred rom (pikey's) or less blood than that (poshrats)?
You can't plead on an intolerant race's behalf when they treat others with no tolerance themselves. I love and respect a lot of travellers, but racially tolerant of non-gypsies they are not. I hate intolerance of any sort be it directed to "gypsies", or from them, but sweeping blanket statements will never help.
If your friend is Rom then he'll have no problem to av akai a rocka t mandi , if he doesn't know what that means then he's just what you've critisised in your post. either way it makes him niether good nor bad, because people are defined by far more than their genes. Try and be a bit more tolerant.
You can't plead on an intolerant race's behalf when they treat others with no tolerance themselves. I love and respect a lot of travellers, but racially tolerant of non-gypsies they are not. I hate intolerance of any sort be it directed to "gypsies", or from them, but sweeping blanket statements will never help.
If your friend is Rom then he'll have no problem to av akai a rocka t mandi , if he doesn't know what that means then he's just what you've critisised in your post. either way it makes him niether good nor bad, because people are defined by far more than their genes. Try and be a bit more tolerant.
Hi sam,
My Family on my dads side were gypsies my nan was the first one to stop travelling and settled down in a house, I remember her mother (my great nan) living in a caravan it was spotlessly clean, they were very honest hard working people, I detest the word Pikeys it is an insult, travellers are mostly lazy gits who just opt out and sponge on society, I am not ashamed to admit I come from gypsy stock,in fact I am proud of it, Ray xx
My great nan spoke Romany all the time it used to make me laugh, the daft thing is they use the word Chav now, well she used to call babies chavies, and the toilet was a mutering tan (spelling) or similar word
My Family on my dads side were gypsies my nan was the first one to stop travelling and settled down in a house, I remember her mother (my great nan) living in a caravan it was spotlessly clean, they were very honest hard working people, I detest the word Pikeys it is an insult, travellers are mostly lazy gits who just opt out and sponge on society, I am not ashamed to admit I come from gypsy stock,in fact I am proud of it, Ray xx
My great nan spoke Romany all the time it used to make me laugh, the daft thing is they use the word Chav now, well she used to call babies chavies, and the toilet was a mutering tan (spelling) or similar word
Divvi rakkli, kek rockkra lesti.
Dloova is usually money but Ray is right lolli was cant for money generally and is still taken for small money, wonga you ocasionally hear as well. "Get gelo" isn't anything you'd ever hear a Romany say Sam, it'd be kek jal akai a mande, or more usually and simply Ja mander ( said forcefully). Gelo is something tinkers use now, borrowed from Romanis ( it's all in the tense), and I've also never met a tinker who doesn't claim to be Rom either in England or Ireland so tell me how the hell do you know who you are talking to? The language is not pure anywhere, the tenses are slipping towards being used in the same way English is with more and more English sentence structure appearing with each generation ( as you just demonstrated) and traditional Romany values counting for less and less. The idealised view of people with a horse drawn vardo is just that an ideal, the two groups are merging at an alarming rate and if you see a vardo at the side of the road you can bet your life it's not a Romany in it, more likely a holiday maker or a hippy who thinks there's something romantic about the lifestyle.
This is understandable, I bet there aren't many women reading this who'd be happy to be considered ritually unclean when their period is on, or when they've just had a baby are there? Roma women aren't either anymore. How does that sit with you Sam?Peoples evolve and rightly so, but it doesn't make one group super shiny wonderful and the rest a pile of s**t. There are good and bad people in every race on earth Sam, and we are all zingaro anyway. If you know someone who claims to be a pure bred Rom these days then you know a liar (and there are plenty), so when you differentiate between the individual groups of travelling people it's a very tenuous distinction and one that to be honest is impossible to make accurately.
Dloova is usually money but Ray is right lolli was cant for money generally and is still taken for small money, wonga you ocasionally hear as well. "Get gelo" isn't anything you'd ever hear a Romany say Sam, it'd be kek jal akai a mande, or more usually and simply Ja mander ( said forcefully). Gelo is something tinkers use now, borrowed from Romanis ( it's all in the tense), and I've also never met a tinker who doesn't claim to be Rom either in England or Ireland so tell me how the hell do you know who you are talking to? The language is not pure anywhere, the tenses are slipping towards being used in the same way English is with more and more English sentence structure appearing with each generation ( as you just demonstrated) and traditional Romany values counting for less and less. The idealised view of people with a horse drawn vardo is just that an ideal, the two groups are merging at an alarming rate and if you see a vardo at the side of the road you can bet your life it's not a Romany in it, more likely a holiday maker or a hippy who thinks there's something romantic about the lifestyle.
This is understandable, I bet there aren't many women reading this who'd be happy to be considered ritually unclean when their period is on, or when they've just had a baby are there? Roma women aren't either anymore. How does that sit with you Sam?Peoples evolve and rightly so, but it doesn't make one group super shiny wonderful and the rest a pile of s**t. There are good and bad people in every race on earth Sam, and we are all zingaro anyway. If you know someone who claims to be a pure bred Rom these days then you know a liar (and there are plenty), so when you differentiate between the individual groups of travelling people it's a very tenuous distinction and one that to be honest is impossible to make accurately.
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