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How One Man – Who Used To Be A Woman - Gave Birth To His Own Baby
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//Freddy decided to carry his own baby after wanting to start a family, but he faced a highly unusual challenge – he is a gay transgender man.//
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I’m truly confused here. Where do a gay transgender man’s sexual preferences lie?
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I’m truly confused here. Where do a gay transgender man’s sexual preferences lie?
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"It's easy really. Female identifies as a male and starts the procedure. Decides to have a baby naturally (as natural as possible) and then will continue with his transition into a male. As a female he was sexually attracted to men. As a male he is still attracted to men which will make him gay." It's even easier than that - a woman has given birth to a child. Said...
06:49 Tue 10th Sep 2019
//VE, you are changing the subject... there is nothing to say that children in a "nuclear" family are better off... it is individual.//
I'm trying to say that the traditional arrangement is on the whole better, Pixie. Which is why it's the traditional arrangement. And I disagree with adoption by gay married couples because it's an untried social experiment, and because, in many cases, I suspect the motives of the adoptive parents. And because the potential sufferers from this experiment if it turns out to be bad are children.
I'm trying to say that the traditional arrangement is on the whole better, Pixie. Which is why it's the traditional arrangement. And I disagree with adoption by gay married couples because it's an untried social experiment, and because, in many cases, I suspect the motives of the adoptive parents. And because the potential sufferers from this experiment if it turns out to be bad are children.
// That doesn't, and can't, ever change somebody's sex. I know you know this. I don't understand, honestly, why you pretend to think it does. //
I don't think I make any such pretence, or at least, if I appear to have, then I apologise. I suppose the point is that I don't see that calling someone he/she etc, outside medical contexts that are usually nobody's business but the patients, is about their sex chromosomes and/or their genitalia. If you use he/she to identify biology then that's your choice but I think outside that we might not disagree as much as all that.
I don't think I make any such pretence, or at least, if I appear to have, then I apologise. I suppose the point is that I don't see that calling someone he/she etc, outside medical contexts that are usually nobody's business but the patients, is about their sex chromosomes and/or their genitalia. If you use he/she to identify biology then that's your choice but I think outside that we might not disagree as much as all that.
Thanks, ve. Then there is no real reason to assume it is detrimental. You just need more time to see?
And thanks Jim. You are agreeing that if a man has a "sex change". He is still actually a male? Unless you reject the English language completely, you can see that him, he, his would be most appropriate.
The problem we have, is when it is taken too literally. And men then believe they actually are a woman. They want to compete against them and invade their safe spaces. I'm sure you can agree that is going too far.
Nobody cares, or should, what they wear or how they present... but them being intimidated by other men... is not an excuse that women should pay for. Educate other men, don't harass women.
And thanks Jim. You are agreeing that if a man has a "sex change". He is still actually a male? Unless you reject the English language completely, you can see that him, he, his would be most appropriate.
The problem we have, is when it is taken too literally. And men then believe they actually are a woman. They want to compete against them and invade their safe spaces. I'm sure you can agree that is going too far.
Nobody cares, or should, what they wear or how they present... but them being intimidated by other men... is not an excuse that women should pay for. Educate other men, don't harass women.
// Let's take another social experiment using children as guinea pigs. Would you be in favour of taking children away from their natural parents and rearing them in communes? //
I'm not getting into this type of argument. Would such-and-such an obviously stupid but also completely unrelated idea be wrong? Yes. So what does that have to do with the original proposal?
As to your last post, claiming that "the traditional arrangement is on the whole better ... Which is why it's the traditional arrangement." seems a bit dubious logic. It makes sense that, since it was biologically necessary (and perhaps also fun) for children to have a father and a mother at their inception, then the standard family unit would end up being built around that necessity. But that doesn't prove that male and female parental figures are necessarily better, even if all other things were equal. There are simply too many other factors to consider.
Historical bias may also play a part. Are children of same-sex parents worse off because of that, or because it becomes an easy target for other children, perhaps children of prejudiced parents, to pick on and bully them? That can't help either. But then it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. The child has an unhappy child not *because their family was atypical per se but because its being atypical gave other gits licence to disrupt them.
And so on. I appreciate the concern that we wouldn't want to experiment with children because they are the only losers, but the reality is that *every* child and every family is an experiment, in some sense. Can any parent(s) claim to know what they are doing? Don't most end up making it up as they go along?
I'm not getting into this type of argument. Would such-and-such an obviously stupid but also completely unrelated idea be wrong? Yes. So what does that have to do with the original proposal?
As to your last post, claiming that "the traditional arrangement is on the whole better ... Which is why it's the traditional arrangement." seems a bit dubious logic. It makes sense that, since it was biologically necessary (and perhaps also fun) for children to have a father and a mother at their inception, then the standard family unit would end up being built around that necessity. But that doesn't prove that male and female parental figures are necessarily better, even if all other things were equal. There are simply too many other factors to consider.
Historical bias may also play a part. Are children of same-sex parents worse off because of that, or because it becomes an easy target for other children, perhaps children of prejudiced parents, to pick on and bully them? That can't help either. But then it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. The child has an unhappy child not *because their family was atypical per se but because its being atypical gave other gits licence to disrupt them.
And so on. I appreciate the concern that we wouldn't want to experiment with children because they are the only losers, but the reality is that *every* child and every family is an experiment, in some sense. Can any parent(s) claim to know what they are doing? Don't most end up making it up as they go along?
// You are agreeing that if a man has a "sex change". He is still actually a male? Unless you reject the English language completely, you can see that him, he, his would be most appropriate. //
I agree with the first bit. As to the second: I get where you are coming from, but English is nothing if not flexible, and these days gendered pronouns are shifting towards referring to a person's identity rather than their biology.
We can have that debate for another time, but, for now, I hope that at least I've clarified my position for later arguments.
I agree with the first bit. As to the second: I get where you are coming from, but English is nothing if not flexible, and these days gendered pronouns are shifting towards referring to a person's identity rather than their biology.
We can have that debate for another time, but, for now, I hope that at least I've clarified my position for later arguments.
It isn't changing. It would be impossible, as nobody can-
Or would be willing- to guess every stranger's "gender". And nobody else cares, frankly. We segregate by sex when appropriate, but never by gender.
How would you guess what somebody's gender is anyway? You are likely to insult most of the population...
Or would be willing- to guess every stranger's "gender". And nobody else cares, frankly. We segregate by sex when appropriate, but never by gender.
How would you guess what somebody's gender is anyway? You are likely to insult most of the population...
Can I respond to your depressingly repetitions of your Marxist tutors, Jim, by saying that the kid is going to be loved and cared for more by the guy and gal who made the kid.
And, by the way, communal education is as modern as Mao and as old as Plato. Aristotle rebutted that parental model by pointing out that people care less about what is commonly owned than about things (or in this case human beings) they've had to provide for themselves. Let's call it the company car principle.
And, by the way, communal education is as modern as Mao and as old as Plato. Aristotle rebutted that parental model by pointing out that people care less about what is commonly owned than about things (or in this case human beings) they've had to provide for themselves. Let's call it the company car principle.
My wife's eldest son had remarried and the evil step-mother bit (as in teeth) her two step-daughters. They were removed and stayed with us for a few months. My wife's first act was to incinerate all their underwear (we're talking pubescent girls - ten and eleven here) and to buy them decent stuff.
Her youngest daughter got married very early and remarried soon after that. We now have a nine year old girl sexually abused by her step-father's father. How sick is that? We fostered her for two years
All the girls are now grown women, but remember the kindness of their grand-mother and her new partner at the time.
Her youngest daughter got married very early and remarried soon after that. We now have a nine year old girl sexually abused by her step-father's father. How sick is that? We fostered her for two years
All the girls are now grown women, but remember the kindness of their grand-mother and her new partner at the time.
"It's easy really.
Female identifies as a male and starts the procedure. Decides to have a baby naturally (as natural as possible) and then will continue with his transition into a male. As a female he was sexually attracted to men. As a male he is still attracted to men which will make him gay."
It's even easier than that - a woman has given birth to a child. Said woman is attracted to men.
Men can't give birth. They just can't. And no amount of pronoun miss-use and surgery will change that.
Female identifies as a male and starts the procedure. Decides to have a baby naturally (as natural as possible) and then will continue with his transition into a male. As a female he was sexually attracted to men. As a male he is still attracted to men which will make him gay."
It's even easier than that - a woman has given birth to a child. Said woman is attracted to men.
Men can't give birth. They just can't. And no amount of pronoun miss-use and surgery will change that.
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