Can The Marxist Mantra Ever Work?

[naomi24]

This question arises from a conversation I had here earlier - and it’s something to talk about other than the miseries of Coronavirus so that can’t be a bad thing.

So … the Marxist Mantra -

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

Can that ever work in any society - and if not, why not?

[Theland]

Yes I agree.
That would never work.
The nearest example I can think of is an Israeli Kibbutz.

[naomi24]

And they aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.

[Theland]

Naomi @ 15:51 - You missed the point completely.
I was talking about a willingness, not coercion, to work for the common good.

[naomi24]

I didn't mention either. Whatever the circumstances it's unworkable.

[Theland]

So what do you approve of? Devil take the hindmost?

[naomi24]

//So what do you approve of? Devil take the hindmost?//

Why would you think that? In your world are there no other options?

[Theland]

What about your thoughts?
Obviously not Marx.
But who or what?

[sevenOP]

"The nearest example I can think of is an Israeli Kibbutz."

That's interesting.

How did the kibbutzim turn out Theland?

[naomi24]

Theland, my thoughts are not influenced by anyone or anything in particular. It’s quite simple. Those who are able must take responsibility for themselves and their families. Those who *genuinely* aren’t able to do that must be cared for by the rest.

[Theland]

That sounds like Socialism to me.

[naomi24]

In that case I suggest you research Socialism. You're suffering under a misapprehension.

[Theland]

I do understand the concept of socialism.
I also understand the concept of rampant capitalism.
And the bankers? They all became socialists in 2008 when they needed a bailout and then reverted to capitalism when the money came rolling in again.

[naomi24]

Theland, you want a share in the success of Capitalism and you’re a Capitalist when it suits you. You bought a house - not the Socialist way at all - but when you sold it did the proceeds go to benefit society? No. You shared it between your children - just as a Capitalist would - only he does it honestly. Like a lot of people you pay sanctimonious lip service to Socialism - but you don’t practice it.

[Theland]

I can only practice it by voting for it, but only if there is a sensible party to vote for.
Cob was not for me, he carried too much baggage, but McDonnels economic policy was attractive.

[naomi24]

Another cop out.

[Theland]

Oh dear. Your gloves are off already :-(

Cop out?
What would you have me do?
Get out in the street with my placard and demand the fall of the government?

[ynnafymmi]

But McDonnell had a lot of baggage also Theland.Some would say he was a bigger supporter and apologist of the IRA terrorists than Corbyn was.

[Theland]

YNA etc - Yes, you are right. A pity.

[naomi24]

Theland //Oh dear. Your gloves are off already :-( //

There you go again. Didn't take you long to start playing the victim again. If you don't want my opinion don't ask me questions.

//What would you have me do? //

Practice what you preach - or stop preaching.

[Theland]

Cop out?
Can you explain that?
Practice what I preach?
Being what?