Will You Be Bending The Knee?

[david small]

An anti-racism campaign group is urging Britons to “take the knee” on their doorsteps for a socially distanced protest in solidarity with protesters in the US.

Stand Up to Racism (SUTR) has organised the protest for 6pm on Wednesday as part of a day of action against discrimination in response to the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis.

I won’t.

[jim360]

Take this as another example, TTT:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-woman-shot-killed-after-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651

Is is the woman's fault that her partner saw people breaking into their home and tried to defend himself?

The simple flaw in your post is that it is the responsibility of police to arrest people, not kill them. It's also their responsibility to arrest the right people, which, in the story above, they signally failed to do. If their methods for dealing with potential resistance end up with the suspect dead then it is incumbent on the police to change their methods. It is wrong, simply and utterly wrong, to implicate Floyd's alleged actions in his death.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "Resisting arrest is not a capital offence" - yes we have established that
"that means that as soon as George Floyd ended up dead it seriously doesn't matter what led up to it." - it does, it matters a great deal, in any sort of enquiry we always establish the facts"
"He should not have died. Plain and simple." - I agree, and he would not have, had he not resisted arrest"
"It's disgusting to say it's his fault" - Are police just supposed to let them absquatulate? What is "disgusting" is the state the Liberal elite have left us in with their "right on" tolerance of crime.

[woofgang]

so if people resist arrest its okay to kill them?

[ToraToraTora]

mozz: "He was unarmed and yet the decided to taser him, and likely traumatise a three year old child who thinks that the plods had just killed his Daddy." - what more than peaced up daddy driving like a loong and trying to attack the police?

[Mozz71]

Tora, put your cards on the table. Are you saying the cops were justified in taking the actions that led to Mr Floyd's death? You know, instead of, let's say, handcuffing him?

[pastafreak]

"...sad if they end up being fatal..."
Shouldn't the form of restraint be in proportion to the crime committed? Mind you, I don't think any crime warrants sitting on a man's neck and causing his death. That is not the purpose of restraint.

[jim360]

He wouldn't have died had the cop thought that maybe having his body weight on the suspect's neck would be bad for him. If that is the method for dealing with resistance then it's wholly and utterly and obviously wrong and it's despicable that you think it could be in any way appropriate.

[jim360]

Oh, and just for the record, the "crime" Floyd was accused of is using a counterfeit banknote. At a store whose owner he was friends with.

[Mozz71]

//what more than peaced up daddy driving like a loony and trying to attack the police?//

Absolutely. Four trained officers could have subdued him easily. It was heavy handed.

[ToraToraTora]

jim 13:32, that's not comparable to this case. A tragic upc0ck and I hope their law suit is successful.

[ToraToraTora]

"Oh, and just for the record, the "crime" Floyd was accused of is using a counterfeit banknote. At a store whose owner he was friends with. " - then why did he resist arrest?

[shoota]

Mozz - at the risk of rehashing an old debate:
'The coppers outnumbered him 4 to 1 IIRC. He was unarmed and yet the decided to taser him,'
The Manchester incident was 2 cops, the black chap was drunk, big, attempting to head butt and refusing to enter the Police car.
People don't seem to understand that the Taser is issued to prevent injury to detained people by Police having to use sticks and other restraint methods that more regularly do result in physical injury.

[ToraToraTora]

right mozz so 4 guys jumping on him would have been better than 1 taser? right oh!

[jim360]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/video-george-floyd-contradict-resist-trnd/index.html

[ToraToraTora]

shoota, don't come round here with your common sense! This is a TROB love in!

[Mozz71]

Shoota, then I apologise, I misremembered the incident and thought it was 4 plods. I withdraw my argument.

[KARL]

I am told a video recording shows George Floyd being led in handcuffs prior to being forced to the ground (my wife watched it) and killed in the other well known video. Apart from police bodycam recording(s) there is apparently a gap in video evidence (in the public domain) but it seems highly unlikely that the cuffs had come off between the two. The man was substantially incapacitated before and during his killing.

Alongside any/all laudable efforts in defence of the country, so the well known looting, stripping jewellery etc. from the dead, etc. during the Blitz was as separate and unlawful as looting and destruction are during the current upheaval in the USA. Should we now refuse to recognise any/all UK wartime efforts along the same logic as refusing to morally support a drive toward security/safety, justice, etc. for all within another country ?

Altogethernow: NOOOOOOOOOOOO................

[ToraToraTora]

ok jim so they just lobbed him on the deck straight way then for no reason?

[Mozz71]

//Shoota, don't come round here with your common sense! This is a TROB love in!//

Wrong. Some of us can face up and admit if we make an error. You might want to try that yourself sometime.

[jim360]

If the video evidence doesn't support the idea that Floyd was resisting arrest in any meaningful way then... apparently, yes. Or at least the flimsiest of reasons.

The only sensible conclusion can be that police in the US need far better training at how to arrest people in a way that isn't lethal.