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Do We Or I Believe In The Bible And What It Says ????
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Do we or I believe in the Bible and what it says ????
The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19.
We know that we originate with God
Even if you don't believe in the Bible you must believe in something and as you look around the world today and see the mess we are in ? as you listen to the news from your radio or watch the TV we see the world is in such a mess because people cannot agree ?? and it is causing mental problems and we see that people are committing suicide because they don't know which way to turn ??? .. And we can see the Western world powers , disagreements between Russia and China causing civil wars between the countries which they want to dominate / almost causes Wars?? and now we see the pandemic keep reappearing with new viruses and we just get out of 1 lock down and we fall back into another, this is all apart of the prophecies with the Bible talks about?
what do you think,??????
The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. 1 John 5:19.
We know that we originate with God
Even if you don't believe in the Bible you must believe in something and as you look around the world today and see the mess we are in ? as you listen to the news from your radio or watch the TV we see the world is in such a mess because people cannot agree ?? and it is causing mental problems and we see that people are committing suicide because they don't know which way to turn ??? .. And we can see the Western world powers , disagreements between Russia and China causing civil wars between the countries which they want to dominate / almost causes Wars?? and now we see the pandemic keep reappearing with new viruses and we just get out of 1 lock down and we fall back into another, this is all apart of the prophecies with the Bible talks about?
what do you think,??????
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locusts - // But this was NOT God’s original plan.
His original plan was for there to be no evil but only good.
One day God’s original plan will be restored (Read the Book of Revelation to find out ).
But for now, there are calamities, disasters, and all kinds of ‘bad things’ happening.
Some of these ‘bad things’ are caused by God. Others are allowed by God.
But all of them are intended to ‘get our attention’ and to cause us to turn from our wicked ways and to turn back to God and let Him be our God, Saviour, Lord, and Master. //
Like all fervents, you play 'Free Will' as though it is a Get Out Of Jail Free Card.
If God is all-powerful, why didn;t he stick with his original 'Plan' - why go through the faff of giving 'free will' so that everything is a total mess, and he has the fag of bringing it all under control again.
Why bother?
He could have stuck to his original 'Plan' and not bothered giving his creation a test which they are always bound to fail - unless it is so he can judge and condemn them, which doesn't make him a 'loving' God at all.
You simply can't have it all ways - although as a fervent, you honestly believe you can, and you dissemble and weave your nonsense to convince yourself (no-one else cares, why does that not register with you?) that everything is as it should be.
Your religion is a like a soap opera - the most cursory examination of the scenario, and the entire thing collapses like a house of cards.
His original plan was for there to be no evil but only good.
One day God’s original plan will be restored (Read the Book of Revelation to find out ).
But for now, there are calamities, disasters, and all kinds of ‘bad things’ happening.
Some of these ‘bad things’ are caused by God. Others are allowed by God.
But all of them are intended to ‘get our attention’ and to cause us to turn from our wicked ways and to turn back to God and let Him be our God, Saviour, Lord, and Master. //
Like all fervents, you play 'Free Will' as though it is a Get Out Of Jail Free Card.
If God is all-powerful, why didn;t he stick with his original 'Plan' - why go through the faff of giving 'free will' so that everything is a total mess, and he has the fag of bringing it all under control again.
Why bother?
He could have stuck to his original 'Plan' and not bothered giving his creation a test which they are always bound to fail - unless it is so he can judge and condemn them, which doesn't make him a 'loving' God at all.
You simply can't have it all ways - although as a fervent, you honestly believe you can, and you dissemble and weave your nonsense to convince yourself (no-one else cares, why does that not register with you?) that everything is as it should be.
Your religion is a like a soap opera - the most cursory examination of the scenario, and the entire thing collapses like a house of cards.
Alternative View
Now Zeus, king of the gods, made Metis his wife first, and she was wisest among gods and mortal men. But when she was about to bring forth the goddess bright-eyed Athene, Zeus
craftily deceived her with cunning words and put her in his own belly, as Earth and starry Heaven advised. For they advised him so, to the end that no other should hold royal sway over the eternal gods in place of Zeus; for very wise children were destined to be born of her, first the maiden bright-eyed Tritogeneia, equal to her father in strength and in wise understanding; but afterwards she was to bear a son of overbearing spirit, king of gods and men. But Zeus put her into his own belly first, that the goddess might devise for him both good and evil.
Next he married bright Themis who bare the Horae (Hours), and Eunomia (Order), *** (Justice), and blooming Eirene (Peace), who mind the works of mortal men, and the Moerae (Fates) to whom wise Zeus gave the greatest honour, Clotho, and Lachesis, and Atropos who give mortal men evil and good to have.
And Eurynome, the daughter of Ocean, beautiful in form, bare him three fair-cheeked Charites (Graces), Aglaea, and Euphrosyne, and lovely Thaleia, from whose eyes as they glanced flowed love that unnerves the limbs: and beautiful is their glance beneath their brows.
Also he came to the bed of all-nourishing Demeter, and she bare white-armed Persephone whom Aidoneus carried off from her mother; but wise Zeus gave her to him.
And again, he loved Mnemosyne with the beautiful hair: and of her the nine gold-crowned Muses were born who delight in feasts and the pleasures of song.
And Leto was joined in love with Zeus who holds the aegis, and bare Apollo and Artemis delighting in arrows, children lovely above all the sons of Heaven.
Lastly, he made Hera his blooming wife: and she was joined in love with the king of gods and men, and brought forth Hebe and Ares and Eileithyia.
But Zeus himself gave birth from his own head to bright-eyed Tritogeneia, the awful, the strife-stirring, the host-leader, the unwearying, the queen, who delights in tumults and wars and battles. But Hera without union with Zeus -- for she was very angry and quarrelled with her mate -- bare famous Hephaestus, who is skilled in crafts more than all the sons of Heaven.
But Hera was very angry and quarrelled with her mate. And because of this strife she bare without union with Zeus who holds the aegis a glorious son, Hephaestus, who excelled all the sons of Heaven in crafts. But Zeus lay with the fair- cheeked daughter of Ocean and Tethys apart from Hera, deceiving Metis although she was full wise. But he seized her with his hands and put her in his belly, for fear that she might bring forth something stronger than his thunderbolt: therefore did Zeus, who sits on high and dwells in the aether, swallow her down suddenly. But she straightway conceived Pallas Athene: and the father of men and gods gave her birth by way of his head on the banks of the river Trito. And she remained hidden beneath the inward parts of Zeus, even Metis, Athena's mother, worker of righteousness, who was wiser than gods and mortal men. There the goddess (Athena) received that whereby she excelled in strength all the deathless ones who dwell in Olympus, she who made the host-scaring weapon of Athena. And with it (Zeus) gave her birth, arrayed in arms of war.
And of Amphitrite and the loud-roaring Earth-Shaker was born great, wide-ruling Triton, and he owns the depths of the sea, living with his dear mother and the lord his father in their golden house, an awful god.
Also Cytherea bare to Ares the shield-piercer Panic and Fear, terrible gods who drive in disorder the close ranks of men in numbing war, with the help of Ares, sacker of towns: and Harmonia whom high-spirited Cadmus made his wife.
(to be continued.......)
Now Zeus, king of the gods, made Metis his wife first, and she was wisest among gods and mortal men. But when she was about to bring forth the goddess bright-eyed Athene, Zeus
craftily deceived her with cunning words and put her in his own belly, as Earth and starry Heaven advised. For they advised him so, to the end that no other should hold royal sway over the eternal gods in place of Zeus; for very wise children were destined to be born of her, first the maiden bright-eyed Tritogeneia, equal to her father in strength and in wise understanding; but afterwards she was to bear a son of overbearing spirit, king of gods and men. But Zeus put her into his own belly first, that the goddess might devise for him both good and evil.
Next he married bright Themis who bare the Horae (Hours), and Eunomia (Order), *** (Justice), and blooming Eirene (Peace), who mind the works of mortal men, and the Moerae (Fates) to whom wise Zeus gave the greatest honour, Clotho, and Lachesis, and Atropos who give mortal men evil and good to have.
And Eurynome, the daughter of Ocean, beautiful in form, bare him three fair-cheeked Charites (Graces), Aglaea, and Euphrosyne, and lovely Thaleia, from whose eyes as they glanced flowed love that unnerves the limbs: and beautiful is their glance beneath their brows.
Also he came to the bed of all-nourishing Demeter, and she bare white-armed Persephone whom Aidoneus carried off from her mother; but wise Zeus gave her to him.
And again, he loved Mnemosyne with the beautiful hair: and of her the nine gold-crowned Muses were born who delight in feasts and the pleasures of song.
And Leto was joined in love with Zeus who holds the aegis, and bare Apollo and Artemis delighting in arrows, children lovely above all the sons of Heaven.
Lastly, he made Hera his blooming wife: and she was joined in love with the king of gods and men, and brought forth Hebe and Ares and Eileithyia.
But Zeus himself gave birth from his own head to bright-eyed Tritogeneia, the awful, the strife-stirring, the host-leader, the unwearying, the queen, who delights in tumults and wars and battles. But Hera without union with Zeus -- for she was very angry and quarrelled with her mate -- bare famous Hephaestus, who is skilled in crafts more than all the sons of Heaven.
But Hera was very angry and quarrelled with her mate. And because of this strife she bare without union with Zeus who holds the aegis a glorious son, Hephaestus, who excelled all the sons of Heaven in crafts. But Zeus lay with the fair- cheeked daughter of Ocean and Tethys apart from Hera, deceiving Metis although she was full wise. But he seized her with his hands and put her in his belly, for fear that she might bring forth something stronger than his thunderbolt: therefore did Zeus, who sits on high and dwells in the aether, swallow her down suddenly. But she straightway conceived Pallas Athene: and the father of men and gods gave her birth by way of his head on the banks of the river Trito. And she remained hidden beneath the inward parts of Zeus, even Metis, Athena's mother, worker of righteousness, who was wiser than gods and mortal men. There the goddess (Athena) received that whereby she excelled in strength all the deathless ones who dwell in Olympus, she who made the host-scaring weapon of Athena. And with it (Zeus) gave her birth, arrayed in arms of war.
And of Amphitrite and the loud-roaring Earth-Shaker was born great, wide-ruling Triton, and he owns the depths of the sea, living with his dear mother and the lord his father in their golden house, an awful god.
Also Cytherea bare to Ares the shield-piercer Panic and Fear, terrible gods who drive in disorder the close ranks of men in numbing war, with the help of Ares, sacker of towns: and Harmonia whom high-spirited Cadmus made his wife.
(to be continued.......)
n. The verses before v7 show that God can create calamity. The verse after v8 emphasizes his righteousness. Thus, since the context emphasizes that God can cause calamity, and denies that God creates evil (in the moral sense), the correct translation is certainly "calamity" and not "evil".
Biblical Hermeneutics
Biblical Hermeneutics
Khandro, nit pick all you like. The fact is, God, we are assured, created everything. It therefore follows that he created the good along with the bad. Furthermore, the bible tells us that God is responsible for creating that which he allegedly abhors. Why would he do that - and why do you accept that without question? Where are your principles?
The reason I believe it is a bad translation into English is that 'evil' is an adjective & according to Genesis 1, God (at least metaphorically) created only things which are nouns: Light, Heaven, Earth & all the creatures there upon.
So if you want to turn to the prophet Isaiah, 'calamity' (a noun) would be a more appropriate translation, - methinks.
So if you want to turn to the prophet Isaiah, 'calamity' (a noun) would be a more appropriate translation, - methinks.
o god ( pun intended) we are still on Isaiah ?
jesus
and the word used - - kaka in the Septuagint - and yes somewhere I gave the ref for the Hebrew/aramaic/alternative
and no we dont believe God created calamity because there are these people called theologians who tell us what the current interpretation is
and yes it clearly changes over time
and yes 1 John 5 21 is - liddle childer - beware of the idols
( cries of foo what dat mean den etc etc)
jesus
and the word used - - kaka in the Septuagint - and yes somewhere I gave the ref for the Hebrew/aramaic/alternative
and no we dont believe God created calamity because there are these people called theologians who tell us what the current interpretation is
and yes it clearly changes over time
and yes 1 John 5 21 is - liddle childer - beware of the idols
( cries of foo what dat mean den etc etc)
Foo, wat dat you learn dere den? Archaeology, medicine, physics, chemistry, economics, classics, languages, theology, bus driving, dustbin emptying, road digging, googling? Coo ... you ain’t ‘arf smart, Walter Mitty. No wonder you sat on a jury at a major murder trial before you were old enough to vote. Brilliant!
Khandro does appear to believe that God created calamity - so your ‘we’ is misplaced, PP. Read the posts.... I’m sure you dun reading as well as all de uvver stuff you pretend you’re expert in.
Khandro does appear to believe that God created calamity - so your ‘we’ is misplaced, PP. Read the posts.... I’m sure you dun reading as well as all de uvver stuff you pretend you’re expert in.
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