Is paedophilia becoming acceptable on here?

[legend758duo]

Im posting this in response to some of the answers ive received about the arrests and convictions of the people behind the pedo ring in england.I said 700 others are guilty but im told they may be innocent.Or worse that its just market forces!!!!! Ive condoned torture of paedophiles in another post to get the information needed and any other info they might have too. Im sure in the case of ian huntly that a bit of electrocution wouldve helped him confess alot earlier.So hed have suffered but would that hurt as much as those two wee girls parents hurt whilst waiting to find out about them? Im sorry but the things those guys did and the videos they swapped were evil and i think anyone taking part in swapping them or even in condoning or at worst trying to excuse their behaviour is out of order.

I cant belieev that folk can even argue the point .
Im disgusted and disappointed.

[legend758duo]

yummmum.
thot u was havin a baby???

death to paedos im afraid is the easiest solution.
i love how so callede intellectuals come on here in defence of the scum.
yet have no certain soloutions to the problem.
hanging serves a purpose.
100% non-reoffending rateif youve got another 100% succesful solution then let us know

[legend758duo]

jno only pointing out that you seenm to have resorted to jumping in after others to back them up.
without having the nuts to just say what you think.

so kill the paedos or would you let them out amongsat the kiddies jno??

[jno]

I said what I thought on Wednesday at 00.05. Watching your language get fouler and fouler convinces me I was correct.

[legend758duo]

im fed up with philosophers quotes.
try quoting to some kid of 5 thats been raped.
intellectual dogooders.
problem with dogooders is they do very little good at all.
they talk a good talk.
but fail to deliver.
think of the kids their rights are paramount. 
** your eco and other rubbish just hang the paedos .

problem over.

[legend758duo]

jno you backed octavius and others.
dont try to turn it to language.
youre losing the arguement and blaming it on some swearing?
poor attempt to convince anyone jno.
poor indeed

[ruby27]

I found the word play very funny and apt given the clever connection of many and debating. Am I not allowed to show my appreciation in some light hearted banter - are you an arbitrator on AB for what is and isn't allowed?

By the way apart from providing other posters with amusement as your incomprehensible and often illiterate rant emerges, what have you constructively done to protect children from sexual abuse?

I am curios on 2 counts, one as I was a victim of child sexual abuse and two I have spent 26 years working with children who are in need/at risk. Consequently I have worked with hundreds of victims of abuse and their families. Only they could comment on how helpful the help and support they have received, I am just wondering how helpful you think they would find your rants on AB are?

[tattoo1094]

Good morning ruby,
sorry to hear of the pain you ve had to suffer, but to the comment earlier about torture, its a well known fact that people will say any thing to stop the amount of pain that legend is on about . I would prefer the police force to get the right person and not imprison an innocent which has happened in many cases.
Although i despise paedo's i still cannot find the right punishment for them............Chemical castration?......still seems to good for them

[jackthehat]

Paedophiles need to be effectively removed from society permanently. This should be reflected in the sentences handed down by the courts. Some offenders can be helped, but these really are a very small percentage. Central Government needs to be sensible and properly fund suitable therapy for those offenders that can be helped; and for helping those children who have suffered at the hands of these deviants.

The trouble is that because of the righteous indignation generated by this topic it is difficult to have a rational and thoughtful debate on the subject.

There has to be a solution but until the 'hang 'em, flog 'em' brigade can be made to shut up and think more deeply about the matter, little progress will be made.

It is far too simplistic an argument to state that 'if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem'. Not wishing to see the perpetrators dead does not mean that we in any way condone their actions !

We owe it to Holly and Jessica and all those other damaged children to ensure that their protection is paramount, surely ? However unpallatable the solution is, if it keeps children safe then it HAS to be better for all.

Legend, you are undermining your argument with your 'yah boo' comments. I infer that you have nothing in your life more than seven years old as it would be 'soooooo last century..........' ?

[tattoo1094]

Jak, you seem to be very well informed and some times i wish i could come across as diplomatic as you. your right in the fact that it does get people very emotional and you do need to take a step back but i can see that legend is very angry about this subject, i wonder if he/she has had experience with this, i would hope not.
Alot of people on here dont like his/her rantings, but fair play to being passionate about some thing, although i dont think id like to get into a debate with him!!

[legend758duo]

bottom line.
you want an effective deterrent then hang them.
as for kids who youre helping i doubt many of them would object.
do you?
jak sorry but i think we need to stop thinking about how to treat the paedos.
i see ian huntly now has a gay lover in jail.but is on hunger strike because theyve been seperated.


he should have been seperated from his nuts.

sorry time to think of the victims .
if their attacker is hung they will know they are safe from them.
im fed up with goody two shoes makin excuses for paedos.
hang em high.
thats a cheap and very effective solution.

[tattoo1094]

what happens if you get the wrong person legend?

[jackthehat]

If death was the ultimate penalty for paedophilia then by extension the first thing that would happen is that there would be an upsurge in the amount of children killed. A dead child cannot tell.............but nor can a dead child provide the release of sexual tension that would build up in the paedophile later. A serial paedophile would develop into a serial child killer............
I'm not actually 'on the side of' the offender and 'treatment' for them but would rather that they were completely removed from society..........however, if an offender can UNLEARN their behaviour and no longer be a threat, then perhaps they ought to be allowed back into society. There are many grey areas in sex-offending, and, yes, I agree that this is just semantics because there is always a victim and they should be the focus of the matter; but if we can learn as a society more about paedophiles and the reasons and circumstances behind their attacks perhaps we will then have the tools to safeguard our children.

[legend758duo]

i believe they have the death penalty in other countries and im not sure that paedos there are serial child murders.
seems a bit of a leap of faith there.
in the short term i believe it would be effective.
and ive heard paedos say they cant be cured some can learn to control it but its like alcoholism.theycan go back anytime

[jackthehat]

Your answer consisted of;
" I believe..........."
" I've heard.............."
" I'm not sure......."
Hardly rigorous statements........
Paedophilia CANNOT be cured. The identification of children as objects of sexual desire CAN be unlearned if the offender is given the correct sort of help. There are many reasons why adults behave inappropriately with children and the umbrella term of paedophilia is used to fit ALL these circumstances. It is not always the case.
But it is very difficult to try and sort out the degrees of being a 'nonce' due to the anger and revulsion the subject provokes.

[ruby27]

tattoo1094, thank you very much for your compassion, it is very much appreciated although not something I was seeking (or probably deserve), but it is always lovely to have a genuine human response and to be a recipient of genuine compassion.
I feel quite humbled as my purpose in self disclosure was not to help anyone else. Instead to use as a means of debating and one where I was trying to score points my primary objective; rather than to create a conversational space that allowed for genuine new learning.
I am not going to ask you to be my moral preceptor but I must keep your attitude in mind when I get into the blood lust of debate
I haven't been aware of your posts before but look forward to them

[jno]

sorry to hear of your experiences, ruby; but it's always good to hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about on threads like this.

Legend, when did hanging ever deter anyone from anything? You think there's no crime in China or the USA, where they put people to death (usually the guilty ones, but not always) all the time? I don't think, from reading your posts, that you're really thinking of deterrence at all, but of revenge. And revenge for crimes not committed against you is none of your business.

[legend759]

jno ina democracy a crime against one person is a crime against all.
im afraid a paedo who doesnt get cauhgt or sentenced will commit again.

btw jack i find your terminology absurd.
paedophilia can be unlearned???you mean to say they learnt it in the first place?
ive seen interviews with paedos who say they can with drugs try to supress it but its always there it doesnt go away and cant be cured.if the situation arises and they are weak then all your learning wont help a kid.

jno you are very presumptious.i dont tell of anything that has happened to me but as a member of society i am entitled to my views on law and order.wether you like it or not.
paedos are scum.

they deserve no sympathy.


quick question for the dogooders.
read the information on this link and tell me if its a fair judgement .
and tell me if you were a judge how yopu would have judged it.
i wait in anticipation .

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1 271893,00.html


so dogooders tell us your sentencing in this case.

[jackthehat]

Learn to scrutinise a little more, Legend. I didn't say Paedophilia can be unlearned...........I said that the inappropriate identification of children as sexual objects can be unlearned. It is the desire of people like you to term ALL 'nonces' as paedophiles that adds to the mass confusion about the subject.
I hope Ruby (to whom it transpires we should ALL listen to closely) can agree with me that it IS possible to work with offenders to help them 'unlearn' their behaviour. This can mean that a family can stay together, which is often the main thing that an abused child desires rather than in your world in which the father/grandfather (insert your own relationship) is carted off to have his neck stretched. This could be added torment to an already tormented child.
Legend 758 and Legend 759 are you twins ?
The mother, in the link you sent, should have been sentenced to exactly what the law allows...............admittedly, in this case, the law should be allowed to presrcibe a very long sentence. It is the failure as a mother to protect her child that is the biggest crime and for that there is NO penalty. The men involved should have got life. No arguments. And when the other men involved are found they should be given life, too.