Is paedophilia becoming acceptable on here?

[legend758duo]

Im posting this in response to some of the answers ive received about the arrests and convictions of the people behind the pedo ring in england.I said 700 others are guilty but im told they may be innocent.Or worse that its just market forces!!!!! Ive condoned torture of paedophiles in another post to get the information needed and any other info they might have too. Im sure in the case of ian huntly that a bit of electrocution wouldve helped him confess alot earlier.So hed have suffered but would that hurt as much as those two wee girls parents hurt whilst waiting to find out about them? Im sorry but the things those guys did and the videos they swapped were evil and i think anyone taking part in swapping them or even in condoning or at worst trying to excuse their behaviour is out of order.

I cant belieev that folk can even argue the point .
Im disgusted and disappointed.

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, paedophilia will never be accepted on here by the educated folk among us.
You have more chance of a muslim accepting Salmans knighthood...

[Katie~77]

I don't think it's acceptable anywhere! Chop their knackers off, that's what I say!x

[raysparx1]

I think only another Paedophile could say it is ok to commit these vile acts, people may not agree with torture but most people will abhor the people that abuse children and I say people as women are involved as well as men, they should be clinically castrated if caught, but sadly it will never be wiped out,

[bednobs]

there are more than 700 guilty! it is estimated that 1 in 60 men are sexually attracted to "children" although far les actually do something about it.
Are you actually saying that you are so closed minded you cant accept that other people don't think torture is acceptable in any circumstances?

i dont know quite how you make the translation from that to eveyone else thinks paedophilla is right (which is what you seem to be implying)
pERSONALLY I think you seem a trifle obsessed, with 5 posts over the last 24 hours about the same thing. I get what you think, but simply dont agree with the torture thing, but that dosent mean i think paedophillia is acceptable. Neither do i think vigilanteeism is acceptable, but that dosent mean i condone paedophilla. I get what you are saying, just dont understand why you have to say it 5 times

[bednobs]

p.s i think it waekens your point when you continually go on about it, because people (like me) get a bit fed up and stop listening to you!

[legend758duo]

thasnks .it just really annoyed me last nigth.my post was moved to news.
but some users came on and talked what i can only call rubbish.
then when i didnt turn to their way of thinking it turned to wardy type im a pedo rubbish,.,
whereas im of the opinion folk who condone it or try to excuse it are more likely to be involved than ones who decry it.

[B00]

1 in 60 men? My God that's a shocking statistic bednobs. And yes, I agree with you.

Leg End- I am certain no one here has condoned this vile and despicable behaviour, just because we don't necessarily agree with your 'knee jerk' reaction, doesn't make us think it's an agreeable practice to do!

And like bednobs, I have to admit to being curious why you've become 'slightly obsessed' with this topic of late.

[bednobs]

why did it annoy you that your post about a news story was moved to the news category then?

It is more than slightly ironic that you moan at people who cant convert you to their point of view calling you a paedophile, but then hint that people who cant be converted to your point of view are padophiles

[Supernick]

You'll not find anyone on here in favour of paedophilia. Do you honestly think that? What you'll find are people resistant to torturing people, executing them and otherwise disfiguring them in an effort to extract revenge and 'justice'. For what it's worth, they're disgusting, vile human beings, but who still have basic human rights including a fair trial.

One point that I didn't see raised in the whole torture debate (apologies if I've missed one), is that people seem to forget that we operate a jury system in this country. If the defence could put even a reasonable case together to suggest that information could be discredited due to the force with which it was obtained, then the jury is going to find that person not guilty.Your torture system would involve a lot of revenge and 99% of paedophiles back on the street without even serving a sentence.

[China Doll]

And I thought we were just having an interesting debate about whether torture was acceptable or not...

[cascarelli]

So, you advocate torturing people to get a confession? And what about those that you torture that turn out to be innocent?

[legend758duo]

firstly i never said i was annoyed it was moved to news.
though some of the stuff still on here in b&s shouldve been moved too.
secondly bednobs and boo i asked a question "is it acceptable here"
your presumption is that i think it is .
i was merely trying to open the debate.
as for 5 posts there were many more posts about little maddy and im sure there will be more.
she is only 1 girl� and 31 kids were saved here.
i also didnt say that folk are paedophiles but i cant see any reason to lean towards sympathy with them.
im sorry i disagree if your inhumane to people little babies then youve given up your rights.
can any of you say if your kids were sexually assaulted youd be saying the pedo has rights?

im sorry its a very emotive issue.
im sure some folk here prefer random popsts that take you away from reality .
but im just surprised so few folk even answer the posts.
if being against this is obsession so be it.

but dont try to drift from the subject.

boo as a parent its not obsession but concern.
arent you concerned?
and if not , then why?

[China Doll]

Think Nick & Cas summed up my points better than I did last night.

My point last night and today is that torture is unlikely to give you 100% bona fide information so is in fact useless. Yes they're horrendous human beings but if torture worked don't you think it would be common use against them?

And I'll go back to what I said last night. You seem to want to just cause them physical pain and as an opinion that's fine. But don't hide behind a justification of torture.

To address your final paragraph, people will always argue a point, it's called freedom of speech. You can be as disgusted and disappointed as you like about this. Just because someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they condone any kind of behaviour, it just means they don't agree with your view point.

[legend758duo]

i was talking about the 700 people the police know to have been downloading child sex abuse to order.
have you missed the news?
it seems not enough folk wqatch the news these days.

if they have been swapping child sex videos id torture them myself.
or do you think its ok to swap and even order live sex abuse online as they did?
im amazed at anyone even deeming this fit of an arguement

[legend758duo]

ok china but the fact remains thta some folk last night tried to blame it on market forces.
so do you agree with that?
im sorry i have kids and i will not change my views that paedophiles are vile .
i believe summary execution of convicted paedos would be fair.
the torture was to get information.
after that im in favour of a bullet to the head.
so no glorification there.

[China Doll]

Good Lord... Do you understand the process of a consistant arguement??!!

Right... how the heck did we get from justifying torture to that being on a par with thinking it's ok to swap videos of children?!

Your reaction is as Boobsy rightly says, a knee jerk reaction and your argument holds little to no logic.

But to address it, no, swapping explicit videos of children is not acceptable. Neither is torture. The two view points are not mutually exclusive.

[bednobs]

im arguing with you because, quite frankly, you are very annoying, and completely stubborn to anybody who dosent hav the same world view as you (and im not talking about your world view that paedophiles are bad; i agree with tthat)
"it just really annoyed me last nigth.my post was moved to news" was what led me to believe that you were annoyed that your post was moved to news last night


"then when i didnt turn to their way of thinking it turned to wardy type im a pedo rubbish,.,
whereas im of the opinion folk who condone it or try to excuse it are more likely to be involved than ones who decry it"
this is what made me make my second staement on how it's slightly ironic that people calling you a "paedo" is rubbish, but its perfectly ok for you to imply others are!

[legend758duo]

ok china .
if someone watched videos of a family member , a child obviously , of yours being abused would you ,if it was proven thwey had watched the video.would you suppourt torture of them to get more information about other members of a paedophile ring.as these folk operate in groups and seldom alone.they appear to get some satisfaction out of swapping porn like kids do swapping cards or stickers.
sowhat would you say?

question to everyone else.
If someone is caught swapping sex abuse videos of kids and BABIES .And the facts are there and they confess.
Would you think torturing them for more information was acceptable

[China Doll]

I think the media has a lot to answer for yes but I don't think paedophilia can be blamed on it. I would hazard a guess that's it's like being gay, I doubt anyone chooses it. However, they do chose to act on it.

My opinions on media... well it's grey isn't it. If you think about all the publicity regarding the young lady in Harry Potter before she was of legal age then I'd say there was something rather sordid and not quite right about that. And same goes for the Olsen twins too. They're obviously not condoning paedophilia but they're in a rather grey area woudln't you say?

But like I said, it doesn't strike me as something you would choose but we all have control over our actions and we all know the difference between right and wrong.

[Octavius]

I didn�t contribute to your other threads as most often I find them difficult to fathom out , and I don�t recall any debate on torture.

But in answer to this question, paedophilia is not acceptable nor tolerated anywhere, especially not here.

Secondly, a healthy man does not torture others - generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers. In the words of Umberto Eco:

�There is only one thing that arouses animals more than pleasure, and that is pain. Under torture you are as if under the dominion of those grasses that produce visions. Everything you have heard told, everything you have read returns to your mind, as if you were being transported, not toward heaven, but toward hell. Under torture you say not only what the inquisitor wants, but also what you imagine might please him, because a bond (this, truly, diabolical) is established between you and him.�