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The likes of Elderman, Sith, Truthabounds and Elderman. Do they actually think they will ever achieve anything?
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Do they actually think they will ever achieve anything with all this Bible bashing, Whilst everyone generally gives them an ear bashing and many will mock their determined efforts.
What is their cause? do they really think they will ever convert anyone, I think most people just find them a bit irritating and a waste of time.
What is their cause? do they really think they will ever convert anyone, I think most people just find them a bit irritating and a waste of time.
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I think you have to distinguish between Sith, and then Truthabounds / Elderman / Goodlife.As others have said, Sith seems friendly enough, and will engage ( although I think his beliefs are wrongheaded :) )
Truthabounds and the others though - they are different. This is a personal feeling, and I have no real evidence beyond a feeling - but at least one of these are willing to create sockpuppets in an attempt to add weight and bring what they think is an "authoratative voice" into the argument. I also think that at least one dissembles on a regular basis, or is just perhaps a Walter Mitty character, inventing backgrounds or life experiences again in an attempt to assert authority to their arguments.
Other than that, they often follow a similar pattern.
1. Start inconsequential sounding topics, then quote annoyingly trite verses from the bible, as if this holds any authority.
2. Rarely engage directly and answer observations, questions or rebuttals, but make more statements containing the alleged wisdom of the bible.
So - their philosophy is debateable, their logic is mostly puerile, and their anti-science, dogmatic, outdated views offensive.
Were they to refrain from posting their religious screed here, and preach to themselves, I can quite happily let them do their own thing. I will not let them make absurd or wrongheaded statements on here unchallenged though.
As some others have pointed out, many of the posts have the flavour of JW. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that trainee preachers were encouraged to come onto forums like this and spout off - Indeed, at least one religious college awarded marks towards a paper qualification, using such postings as evidence to support their "MA" or whatever - worse, they were marked on volume of output rather than quality of argument.
Their debating methods have that feel - Ignore the rebuttals, just plough on with their versifying.
On a wider note - I know that its a free country, that people are entitled to hold whatever beliefs they wish - but I feel quite saddened personally at the hold religion can exert over peoples minds.
It permeates our culture and shapes our responses, and makes claims over morality and beliefs that it shoud not. Many of those of faith insist that no amount of argument or logic or rebuttal will shake their faith- as if they take pride in having such an intrasigent attitude! - no amount of venal or outright criminal behaviour on behalf of religiious representatives will cause them to remove the blinkers - And it is this I think that is the most worrying.
Such dogmatism is dangerous, and tragically, society suffers when such attitude are taken to the extreme, in the acts of random violence or outright attempted genocide.
Truthabounds and the others though - they are different. This is a personal feeling, and I have no real evidence beyond a feeling - but at least one of these are willing to create sockpuppets in an attempt to add weight and bring what they think is an "authoratative voice" into the argument. I also think that at least one dissembles on a regular basis, or is just perhaps a Walter Mitty character, inventing backgrounds or life experiences again in an attempt to assert authority to their arguments.
Other than that, they often follow a similar pattern.
1. Start inconsequential sounding topics, then quote annoyingly trite verses from the bible, as if this holds any authority.
2. Rarely engage directly and answer observations, questions or rebuttals, but make more statements containing the alleged wisdom of the bible.
So - their philosophy is debateable, their logic is mostly puerile, and their anti-science, dogmatic, outdated views offensive.
Were they to refrain from posting their religious screed here, and preach to themselves, I can quite happily let them do their own thing. I will not let them make absurd or wrongheaded statements on here unchallenged though.
As some others have pointed out, many of the posts have the flavour of JW. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that trainee preachers were encouraged to come onto forums like this and spout off - Indeed, at least one religious college awarded marks towards a paper qualification, using such postings as evidence to support their "MA" or whatever - worse, they were marked on volume of output rather than quality of argument.
Their debating methods have that feel - Ignore the rebuttals, just plough on with their versifying.
On a wider note - I know that its a free country, that people are entitled to hold whatever beliefs they wish - but I feel quite saddened personally at the hold religion can exert over peoples minds.
It permeates our culture and shapes our responses, and makes claims over morality and beliefs that it shoud not. Many of those of faith insist that no amount of argument or logic or rebuttal will shake their faith- as if they take pride in having such an intrasigent attitude! - no amount of venal or outright criminal behaviour on behalf of religiious representatives will cause them to remove the blinkers - And it is this I think that is the most worrying.
Such dogmatism is dangerous, and tragically, society suffers when such attitude are taken to the extreme, in the acts of random violence or outright attempted genocide.
Sandy, Jom is right. In all societies the seed is planted at a young age and there it usually stays. Plenty of adults fall for the horrors of religion, as is demonstrated here daily.
Why anyone feels sorry for the religious who meet with opposition is a mystery to me. They're not the underdog - they choose to post here, and they're the people announcing in no uncertain terms that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is wicked, immoral, led by the devil, and doomed to eternal damnation! Ahhh ... bless them ... how sweet!
I don't think Sith is in the same league as Elderman/Goodlife and Truthabounds either. I have a bit of a soft spot for Sith - even if he does need to brush up on his religion if he wants to debate it here. ;o)
//Many of those of faith insist that no amount of argument or logic or rebuttal will shake their faith- as if they take pride in having such an intrasigent attitude!//
They do appear to take pride in having such an intransigent attitude - but I've no idea why because that demonstrates an unwillingness - perhaps even an inability - to acknowledge truth. If religious books are wrong, then the atheist (who often knows rather more about it than the believer) will often demonstrate exactly why they are wrong. Nevertheless, indisputable evidence falls upon stony ears (thanks for that Sandy - I like it!). Non-believers are often vilified for concluding that the religious are 'deluded', but when stark evidence is presented and persistently denied, then delusion can be the only rational explanation. That's something the religious should think about very seriously because when clearly intelligent people - especially those born into modern educated societies - abandon their intellect to superstition so willingly it's a waste - and it's all in the hope of avoiding the inevitable - death - because that's precisely what religion amounts to.
By the way, Truthabounds denies belonging to an organised religion - and if Elderman/Goodlife is a Jehovah's Witness (which I doubt) then it appears he's ashamed to admit it - and I can't say I blame him! ;o)
Why anyone feels sorry for the religious who meet with opposition is a mystery to me. They're not the underdog - they choose to post here, and they're the people announcing in no uncertain terms that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is wicked, immoral, led by the devil, and doomed to eternal damnation! Ahhh ... bless them ... how sweet!
I don't think Sith is in the same league as Elderman/Goodlife and Truthabounds either. I have a bit of a soft spot for Sith - even if he does need to brush up on his religion if he wants to debate it here. ;o)
//Many of those of faith insist that no amount of argument or logic or rebuttal will shake their faith- as if they take pride in having such an intrasigent attitude!//
They do appear to take pride in having such an intransigent attitude - but I've no idea why because that demonstrates an unwillingness - perhaps even an inability - to acknowledge truth. If religious books are wrong, then the atheist (who often knows rather more about it than the believer) will often demonstrate exactly why they are wrong. Nevertheless, indisputable evidence falls upon stony ears (thanks for that Sandy - I like it!). Non-believers are often vilified for concluding that the religious are 'deluded', but when stark evidence is presented and persistently denied, then delusion can be the only rational explanation. That's something the religious should think about very seriously because when clearly intelligent people - especially those born into modern educated societies - abandon their intellect to superstition so willingly it's a waste - and it's all in the hope of avoiding the inevitable - death - because that's precisely what religion amounts to.
By the way, Truthabounds denies belonging to an organised religion - and if Elderman/Goodlife is a Jehovah's Witness (which I doubt) then it appears he's ashamed to admit it - and I can't say I blame him! ;o)
Newsflash!! Jackthehat, Troll-Spotter extraordinaire, has dunnit again! Whilst it was clear that Elderman and Goodlife are one and the same, I had my doubts about Truthabounds.
However, it seems we do indeed, as Jack says, have the (un)holy Trinity here - the proverbial three in one. Tut! How very dishonest! And him a God-fearing Christian eagerly awaiting Armaggedon and the destruction of all the naughty people too! Got to wonder where he'll end up. ;o)
Truthabounds, //I don't look to any man, priest, rabbi, pope, vicar etc.// http://www.theanswerb...uestion1073730-6.html
Elderman, //I don't look to any man, priest, rabbi, pope, vicar etc.//
http://www.theanswerb...uestion1074572-2.html
However, it seems we do indeed, as Jack says, have the (un)holy Trinity here - the proverbial three in one. Tut! How very dishonest! And him a God-fearing Christian eagerly awaiting Armaggedon and the destruction of all the naughty people too! Got to wonder where he'll end up. ;o)
Truthabounds, //I don't look to any man, priest, rabbi, pope, vicar etc.// http://www.theanswerb...uestion1073730-6.html
Elderman, //I don't look to any man, priest, rabbi, pope, vicar etc.//
http://www.theanswerb...uestion1074572-2.html
Naomi: Oh dear. How wrong you are!! And here is me thinking you knew it all. I am me, and me alone. I give my name to no one and I share no other. Whatever Elderman & Goodlife are is their business. But I have to admit his ideas & beliefs do tally with mine which is why you are all so confused. Unholy trinity!! More like, one for all and all for one!
JTH:You have misled everyone here. You are accusing three ABs to be one! How on earth you got to that conclusion I will never know. In the Bible, to condemn someone has to be at the mouth of two or more witnesses. You have none! All you have is assumptions. Please do not be so presumptious and make sure of your facts before you pull the trigger.
Naomi - pass them over to the Ed and if they share the same ISP, then he will take the necessary action.
So why Truth, did JTH rumble you then with the same quoted line, identical to Elderman's......the chances of that are about the same as a rich man entering into the kingdom of heaven, or through the proverbial eye of a needle.
So why Truth, did JTH rumble you then with the same quoted line, identical to Elderman's......the chances of that are about the same as a rich man entering into the kingdom of heaven, or through the proverbial eye of a needle.
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