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Do you need moral guidance?
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http://www.channel4.c...thoughttv/4od#3314326
I found the implications of this video rather disturbing. This man appears to be saying that he adheres to an acceptable moral code only because he fears the negative consequences of his actions - as taught by Islam - in the next life. He then talks about children needing moral guidance, but still he relies upon an outside source – Islam and the Koran - to provide it. Surely, as an adult, he knows right from wrong, and should be capable of living a decent lifestyle, and of teaching his children to do the same without abnegating his responsibility and without this feeble dependency?
I found the implications of this video rather disturbing. This man appears to be saying that he adheres to an acceptable moral code only because he fears the negative consequences of his actions - as taught by Islam - in the next life. He then talks about children needing moral guidance, but still he relies upon an outside source – Islam and the Koran - to provide it. Surely, as an adult, he knows right from wrong, and should be capable of living a decent lifestyle, and of teaching his children to do the same without abnegating his responsibility and without this feeble dependency?
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Sith You know how to live your life properly? It appears to me that not only do you live by archaic rules, but that you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
In the 21st century all Muslims without question acceed to the rules of man. If a cleric in Iran says something, you all seem to accept this without question. This isn't the word of a prophet it is the word of man.
Do you think, that a woman being made to marry her rapist is "proper"?
Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"?
Do you think that a bomber killing innocents and then being acclaimed a Martyr is "proper"?
Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?
Do you think the murder of people because your "honour" has been slighted (rightly or wrongly) is "proper"
I could carry on, you will say I don't do it, but you condone it because you live your life PROPERLY.
You condone uncivilised barbarism is that living your life PROPERLY
In the 21st century all Muslims without question acceed to the rules of man. If a cleric in Iran says something, you all seem to accept this without question. This isn't the word of a prophet it is the word of man.
Do you think, that a woman being made to marry her rapist is "proper"?
Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"?
Do you think that a bomber killing innocents and then being acclaimed a Martyr is "proper"?
Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?
Do you think the murder of people because your "honour" has been slighted (rightly or wrongly) is "proper"
I could carry on, you will say I don't do it, but you condone it because you live your life PROPERLY.
You condone uncivilised barbarism is that living your life PROPERLY
//Do you think that a bomber killing innocents and then being acclaimed a Martyr is "proper"? //
islam does not support suicide bombers, they actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.
//Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?//
the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it, and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing which mainly takes place in parts of Africa.
//Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"? //
wow, that happened once. i do not agree with it, but i was not there, how do you know there wasnt anything else that contributed? i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things. The man probably got a death sentence. You may not believe it but crime rate in asian countries like saudi arabia is low as these punishments are there.
Dave, and is other societies much better. women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on , murder, incest, gang fights, the murder of innocent people. I could go on. But just because a small fraction who do something are muslim, does not make the religion bad. if i believed simmilar to you i would not live in Britain as a lot of these things like i have stated above go on here. But than i know it is not the fault of every british person but a few, which have been shown on the media. something which you do not understand.
islam does not support suicide bombers, they actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.
//Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?//
the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it, and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing which mainly takes place in parts of Africa.
//Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"? //
wow, that happened once. i do not agree with it, but i was not there, how do you know there wasnt anything else that contributed? i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things. The man probably got a death sentence. You may not believe it but crime rate in asian countries like saudi arabia is low as these punishments are there.
Dave, and is other societies much better. women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on , murder, incest, gang fights, the murder of innocent people. I could go on. But just because a small fraction who do something are muslim, does not make the religion bad. if i believed simmilar to you i would not live in Britain as a lot of these things like i have stated above go on here. But than i know it is not the fault of every british person but a few, which have been shown on the media. something which you do not understand.
Sith, //islam does not support suicide bombers,//
You make it sound as though there is a clear set of rules laid down for Muslims to follow, but there isn’t. Islamic literature is ambiguous – and it is contradictory. Muslim suicide bombers justify their actions through the Koran – and they are considered by those that interpret the Koran similarly, to be martyrs. Of that there is no doubt. These people are, in fact, the most devout in all of Islam. They die for their religion – and they do it voluntarily.
//they [the people of Islam] actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.//
Nonsense. If this is what the media doesn’t show, where have you heard or seen so many Muslims speaking out against it? Some speak against it, but unfortunately they appear to do so very quietly. The rest either support it, or they remain silent.
//the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it [female circumcision], and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing//
You’re right – the Koran doesn’t tell you to do it – but Mohammed did. Within Islam it is not “a cultural thing” – it is condoned by your religion. You may not have heard any Muslims you know say “they’ve done it or would”, but there are millions of Muslims you don’t know – and here’s one of them. This video was posted by Keyplus only a few days back – and it will leave you in no doubt about Islam’s view of female circumcision, so please, let us hear no more of your excuses.
//wow, that [women punished for being raped] happened once.//
Once? Tripe! Open your eyes!
//i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things.//
I neither jump nor yell. And what do you mean “men get whipped as well for doing bad things”? A woman who has been raped has not done a bad thing. She is a victim of horrendous sexual violence. Nevertheless, she is brutally punished for it.
Like Keyplus, you think Islam is beyond reproach, but it isn’t. If you were honest you would concede that there are flaws within your religion, and that its people are not all beyond criticism. Other people might then be more inclined to find you trustworthy and to take you a little more seriously. Stop lying to yourself, Sith, and stop lying to us and telling us we don’t understand, because we’re not stupid - we’re worldly-wise - and your constant excuses - and that's all they are - simply don’t wash.
You make it sound as though there is a clear set of rules laid down for Muslims to follow, but there isn’t. Islamic literature is ambiguous – and it is contradictory. Muslim suicide bombers justify their actions through the Koran – and they are considered by those that interpret the Koran similarly, to be martyrs. Of that there is no doubt. These people are, in fact, the most devout in all of Islam. They die for their religion – and they do it voluntarily.
//they [the people of Islam] actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.//
Nonsense. If this is what the media doesn’t show, where have you heard or seen so many Muslims speaking out against it? Some speak against it, but unfortunately they appear to do so very quietly. The rest either support it, or they remain silent.
//the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it [female circumcision], and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing//
You’re right – the Koran doesn’t tell you to do it – but Mohammed did. Within Islam it is not “a cultural thing” – it is condoned by your religion. You may not have heard any Muslims you know say “they’ve done it or would”, but there are millions of Muslims you don’t know – and here’s one of them. This video was posted by Keyplus only a few days back – and it will leave you in no doubt about Islam’s view of female circumcision, so please, let us hear no more of your excuses.
//wow, that [women punished for being raped] happened once.//
Once? Tripe! Open your eyes!
//i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things.//
I neither jump nor yell. And what do you mean “men get whipped as well for doing bad things”? A woman who has been raped has not done a bad thing. She is a victim of horrendous sexual violence. Nevertheless, she is brutally punished for it.
Like Keyplus, you think Islam is beyond reproach, but it isn’t. If you were honest you would concede that there are flaws within your religion, and that its people are not all beyond criticism. Other people might then be more inclined to find you trustworthy and to take you a little more seriously. Stop lying to yourself, Sith, and stop lying to us and telling us we don’t understand, because we’re not stupid - we’re worldly-wise - and your constant excuses - and that's all they are - simply don’t wash.
//The man probably got a death sentence//
you missed out the key bit, and only took the bits that support your views. I said that the man probably got a death sentence, but than again i dont make the laws over there, i do not live there and it is a country. they have their own set of laws like we do. not everyone follows your or the western worlds laws.
Yes, there may be muslims who do support this genital thing, however i bet it is not just only muslims. Go to africa and it probably happened to a lot of people wherever there muslim, christian, atheist etc.
you missed out the key bit, and only took the bits that support your views. I said that the man probably got a death sentence, but than again i dont make the laws over there, i do not live there and it is a country. they have their own set of laws like we do. not everyone follows your or the western worlds laws.
Yes, there may be muslims who do support this genital thing, however i bet it is not just only muslims. Go to africa and it probably happened to a lot of people wherever there muslim, christian, atheist etc.
sorry, meant post. anyways here.
//Do you think that a bomber killing innocents and then being acclaimed a Martyr is "proper"? //
islam does not support suicide bombers, they actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.
//Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?//
the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it, and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing which mainly takes place in parts of Africa.
//Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"? //
wow, that happened once. i do not agree with it, but i was not there, how do you know there wasnt anything else that contributed? i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things. The man probably got a death sentence. You may not believe it but crime rate in asian countries like saudi arabia is low as these punishments are there.
Dave, and is other societies much better. women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on , murder, incest, gang fights, the murder of innocent people. I could go on. But just because a small fraction who do something are muslim, does not make the religion bad. if i believed simmilar to you i would not live in Britain as a lot of these things like i have stated above go on here. But than i know it is not the fault of every british person but a few, which have been shown on the media. something which you do not understand.
read about the women bit again and you will see where i said about the man getting death sentences and all that are, or just go up the page about 10 poats
//Do you think that a bomber killing innocents and then being acclaimed a Martyr is "proper"? //
islam does not support suicide bombers, they actually speak out the most against it as they are the reason we have such a bad image now. of course, those are the things the media does not want to show.
//Do you think the mutilation of women is "proper"?//
the quran does not actually state this or tells you to do it, and i have not heard any muslim i know say they have done this or would. it is a cultural thing which mainly takes place in parts of Africa.
//Do you think that a woman being sentenced to 200 lashes and prison after being raped is "proper"? //
wow, that happened once. i do not agree with it, but i was not there, how do you know there wasnt anything else that contributed? i know naomi is going to jump in and start yelling about her usual topic but in islam men get whipped as well, for doing bad things. The man probably got a death sentence. You may not believe it but crime rate in asian countries like saudi arabia is low as these punishments are there.
Dave, and is other societies much better. women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on , murder, incest, gang fights, the murder of innocent people. I could go on. But just because a small fraction who do something are muslim, does not make the religion bad. if i believed simmilar to you i would not live in Britain as a lot of these things like i have stated above go on here. But than i know it is not the fault of every british person but a few, which have been shown on the media. something which you do not understand.
read about the women bit again and you will see where i said about the man getting death sentences and all that are, or just go up the page about 10 poats
Sith, //The man probably got a death sentence//
No, I didn’t miss that. I said …//A woman who has been raped has not done a bad thing. She is a victim of horrendous sexual violence. Nevertheless, she is brutally punished for it.//
A man who has raped a women deserves to be punished - but that ^^ you chose to ignore.
No, I didn’t miss that. I said …//A woman who has been raped has not done a bad thing. She is a victim of horrendous sexual violence. Nevertheless, she is brutally punished for it.//
A man who has raped a women deserves to be punished - but that ^^ you chose to ignore.
sith123 //You may not believe it but crime rate in asian countries like saudi arabia is low as these punishments are there. //
Sexual violence is vastly undereported in Arab countries because the victims are treated so badly.
sith123 //women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on //
Exacltly the kind of "blame the woman" mentality I would expect from a primitive like sith.
Sexual violence is vastly undereported in Arab countries because the victims are treated so badly.
sith123 //women walk around on the street sometimes almost naked, rape goes on //
Exacltly the kind of "blame the woman" mentality I would expect from a primitive like sith.
did i say blame the women? no, you are adding words into my mouth. But it is a lot more obvious that if you walk around showing off your body men are going to be attracted to you and hence are more likely to do things. if you cover your self up, and i am not just talking about hijab or burkha but say if you just cover up your body and legs and not your head, men are less likely to rape you.
Why do prostitutes mostly wear mini skirts and tank tops and all that? to show themselves off. If a prostitute covered herself up, she would get less "business". The same applies. if you cover yourself up you are less likely to get raped.
i have nothing against women and i have never said that i hate women, Beso, quit putting words in my mouth.
Why do prostitutes mostly wear mini skirts and tank tops and all that? to show themselves off. If a prostitute covered herself up, she would get less "business". The same applies. if you cover yourself up you are less likely to get raped.
i have nothing against women and i have never said that i hate women, Beso, quit putting words in my mouth.
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