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Is this the answer for those who dont beleive in a God ; but beleive that there must be more to life than this.
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However , be warned research has suggested "spiritual" people may suffer worse mental health than conventionally religious, agnostic or atheist people.
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However , be warned research has suggested "spiritual" people may suffer worse mental health than conventionally religious, agnostic or atheist people.
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Khandro, //There is nothing 'strange' about that form of argument.//
Perhaps you miss the irony. To cite one outrage as wrong in defence of another outrage which you have no objection to, but which is nevertheless also wrong, purposefully avoids addressing the fundamental issue. As I said, two wrongs don’t make a right.
//Is a non-provable 'untruth' that makes a person happy, and gives a sense of well-being, not better than a non-provable 'truth' that makes a person feel unhappily jejune.//
I don’t deceive myself with fantasy notions - and that makes me neither unhappy nor jejune. In fact I’d say quite the opposite. I am curious, I question, I seek answers, and consequently my intellect is not voluntarily abandoned to stagnation on a personal assumption that I know it all and may, therefore, confidently dispose of any requirement for rational examination.
Having said that, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe – until that belief affects others. In other words, your rights end where mine begin.
Perhaps you miss the irony. To cite one outrage as wrong in defence of another outrage which you have no objection to, but which is nevertheless also wrong, purposefully avoids addressing the fundamental issue. As I said, two wrongs don’t make a right.
//Is a non-provable 'untruth' that makes a person happy, and gives a sense of well-being, not better than a non-provable 'truth' that makes a person feel unhappily jejune.//
I don’t deceive myself with fantasy notions - and that makes me neither unhappy nor jejune. In fact I’d say quite the opposite. I am curious, I question, I seek answers, and consequently my intellect is not voluntarily abandoned to stagnation on a personal assumption that I know it all and may, therefore, confidently dispose of any requirement for rational examination.
Having said that, people are free to believe whatever they want to believe – until that belief affects others. In other words, your rights end where mine begin.
Vulcan, Fork ‘andles, indeed. ;o)
Khandro, //The hypothetical question was to you. not about you, and still requires an answer please.//
I didn’t claim it was about me – I said it was addressed to me – which it was - and I’ve given an answer from my point of view. If you want me to consider something more than that, perhaps you can give an example of “a non-provable 'truth'.
Khandro, //The hypothetical question was to you. not about you, and still requires an answer please.//
I didn’t claim it was about me – I said it was addressed to me – which it was - and I’ve given an answer from my point of view. If you want me to consider something more than that, perhaps you can give an example of “a non-provable 'truth'.
naomi; As the word 'truth' is in quotation marks, an example is not necessary "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
What is religion & what is spirituality?
When we read the word spirituality as used in the Bible, it refers to a persons attitude or approach to life.
More and more people see a distinction between religion and spirituality. As many religious organisations are entangled in politics and moral hypocrisy, drenched in much innocent blood from countless religious wars this has resulted in rejection of these religious entities that are sullied by hypocrisy and deception. However in doing so they have made the mistake of also rejecting the Bible because they think it condones such practices.
The one thing that cannot be denied is that religion is responsible for many of the problems that exist.
But the Bible is not about religion.
If the religious leaders, and I include all the vicars, priests , lay readers, bishops etc.etc. took note and put into practice what the Bible has to say, then these problems would not exist. But they have put their own interpretation on the Bible and thus given people the wrong idea. The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about these ones, they being just as the priests in his day. Jeremiah 6 v 13 & 14 -
13 “For from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them, every one is making for himself unjust gain; and from the prophet even to the priest, each one is acting falsely. 14 And they try to heal the breakdown of my people lightly, saying, ‘There is peace! There is peace!’ when there is no peace.
But the day is coming when they will be judged and found wanting. Hence the warning in Revelation 18 v 4 - 7:
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.
When we read the word spirituality as used in the Bible, it refers to a persons attitude or approach to life.
More and more people see a distinction between religion and spirituality. As many religious organisations are entangled in politics and moral hypocrisy, drenched in much innocent blood from countless religious wars this has resulted in rejection of these religious entities that are sullied by hypocrisy and deception. However in doing so they have made the mistake of also rejecting the Bible because they think it condones such practices.
The one thing that cannot be denied is that religion is responsible for many of the problems that exist.
But the Bible is not about religion.
If the religious leaders, and I include all the vicars, priests , lay readers, bishops etc.etc. took note and put into practice what the Bible has to say, then these problems would not exist. But they have put their own interpretation on the Bible and thus given people the wrong idea. The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about these ones, they being just as the priests in his day. Jeremiah 6 v 13 & 14 -
13 “For from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them, every one is making for himself unjust gain; and from the prophet even to the priest, each one is acting falsely. 14 And they try to heal the breakdown of my people lightly, saying, ‘There is peace! There is peace!’ when there is no peace.
But the day is coming when they will be judged and found wanting. Hence the warning in Revelation 18 v 4 - 7:
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.
Khandro@
When Revelation speaks of Babylon the Great, this fits the whole of the world's religions. Although not united as one organisation, they are joined in purpose and deed. She is depicted as an immoral woman who has prostituted herself in forming alliances with the political powers of the world.
James 4 v 4 - . “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.”
This mixing of false religion with the governments has resulted in much human suffering.
However, she has been judged by God and her final destruction is soon to come. It is for this reason the Bible urges people everywhere to get out of her.
Rev 18 v 4 & 5 - And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.
When Revelation speaks of Babylon the Great, this fits the whole of the world's religions. Although not united as one organisation, they are joined in purpose and deed. She is depicted as an immoral woman who has prostituted herself in forming alliances with the political powers of the world.
James 4 v 4 - . “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.”
This mixing of false religion with the governments has resulted in much human suffering.
However, she has been judged by God and her final destruction is soon to come. It is for this reason the Bible urges people everywhere to get out of her.
Rev 18 v 4 & 5 - And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.
naomi; I raised Humpty-Dumpty because, as I said, the word 'truth' was in quotation marks and as such did not require defining because its meaning can be rather flexible, put another way, - one person's truth can vary from another's. If you want an example, I will say that I believe that God (which I really CAN'T define!) probably exists, and this statement is therefore a non-provable 'truth' to me.
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