Why Do They Question The Existence Of God?

[goodlife]

One leading cause of atheism is religion.
Or they may proclaim, ‘I only believe what I see, and I can’t see any invisible Creator.

[modeller]

khandro //Nobody ever walked on water (unless it's frozen). It is one of many mis-translations from the Greek, and should be, walked 'by' the water. //
According to the gospels they refer to him being in the midst of the sea.
It said Peter joined him but sank and Jesus had to save him .
It says the fishermen had rowed 25-30 furlongs which is about 4 miles so it is unlikely they were near to shore , not if they were looking for fish.

I don't doubt that there are hundreds of false translations in the bible but coupled with the rest of the descriptions in Mathew , Mark and John the event took place out at sea not 'by the sea '.
We also read in John that their intention had been to go over the sea towards Capernaum . I don't know where that is but it was over the sea .

[jackthehat]

Walking by the sea? Pah! Even I can do that......

[modeller]

jth //Walking by the sea? Pah! Even I can do that...... //

Exactly if it was a walk by the sea , why would they have even mentioned it ? They also described a storm , huge waves and how he calmed the storm. He came into their boat and //they came into the land of Gennesaret, and drew to the shore//

Why would he have gone on the boat and travelled to the shore, if all this time he was walking // by the water //.

[Khandro]

Most serious bible researchers agree that Jesus never really walked on water. It has to do with a mistranslation of the original gospels of John and Mark. In fact, the ‘water walking miracle’ is a very nice example of how biblical miracle stories develop.'Scholars agree that the most original, ‘uncorrupted’ version of the tale is in John 6:16-21. Here we read how the disciples go out in a boat on the Sea of Galilee (now Lake Kinneret) and suddenly are ‘terrified’ to see Jesus walking towards them... on the water. Jesus calms them down. “Then they were willing to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat reached the shore where they were heading.”
But crucially, the original Greek text for the watery part can mean two different things: ‘on the sea’ or ‘on the seashore’.'

[RATTER15]

Lol, Khandro, go on, now tell us the bit of how God works in mysterious ways. Nice one!!

[Khandro]

This is most extraordinary! Here am I trying to demonstrate a falsehood in the bible and it is being defended by atheists!!
And modeller, after your rebuttal by v-e, you appear to have convert in the shape of LG, which goes to demonstrate the point made by G.K.Chesterton that he who believes in nothing, rapidly comes to believe in anything.

[RATTER15]

Khandro, that is because you are trying to justify a blatant lie as a misinterpretation or a mistake, just accept it is another one of the hundreds of lies told in the Bible.

[modeller]

Khandro as I understand you//serious bible researchers //now agree
millions of bibles are still pumping out known lies . You blame the translatiors . All parts of the bible have been translated by different translaters at different times from supposedly original sources .from Aramaic, from Hebrew , from Greek, . Did they all make the same identical mistakes ? What ever excuses you keep making , it's still a lie and it's a known lie but bibles and all the clerics still keep pumping it out as the 'gospel truth'.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'm fond of GK myself, Khandro. Was the "believe in anything" a quotation from Heretics?

[Khandro]

modeller; Yes I agree; where's the beef? If the first translations were inaccurate then subsequent copies will also be inaccurate.

[Khandro]

v_e; To save you the bother, I have just looked it up, there seems to be some uncertainty, http://www.chesterton.org/discover-chesterton/frequently-asked-questions/cease-to-worship/

[vetuste_ennemi]

Inspired "Foucault's Pendulum"! Good grief! Isn't that the one about the laundry list?

[naomi24]

Khandro, why are you bothering. The quotation is nonsense.

[naomi24]

*bothering?

[vetuste_ennemi]

In his usual paradoxical way Chesterton was contending that abandoning religious belief makes man more gullible rather than more rational, Naomi. In the book I mention he mentions a number of modern superstitions – The Inevitability of “progress” and Shavian socialism to mention but a few (if my memory serves me well/Julie Driscoll!). It may be only a slight one, but he does have a point.

[naomi24]

VE, he may have a point – but not in the way Khandro thinks he has a point.

[modeller]

khandro //Yes I agree; where's the beef? If the first translations were inaccurate then subsequent copies will also be inaccurate//
I am not talking about subsequent copies.
I am referring to translations made direct from the original Hebrew so the Greek version was not involved.

[goodlife]

Yes you see those who are religious even say something like, “The Lord works in mysterious ways.”

Then you see they blame God for suffering in world and it usually atheist.

They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches.

[LazyGun]

@goodlife "They do not know a simple but important truth that the Bible teaches."

Ahh yes, the simple but important truth that any despotic leader knows; If its a good thing, I will take the credit, if it is a bad thing it is always someone elses fault. Only the credulous would be willing to grant god a free pass like this.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Is there a "Proud to be a Mormon" tee-shirt?