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I read on another thread that you used to live in a haunted house. Can you tell us a little more about what happened there? Im genuinely interested. One of my sisters seems to constantly have unexplained things happening to her and other members of my family have had 'spookey' experiences.
Anyone else lived in a haunted house or had experiences of the 'impossible'?
Anyone else lived in a haunted house or had experiences of the 'impossible'?
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Interesting debate - great thread nailit :o)
When I was 7 my mum sat me down to tell me that the family dog had been put to sleep - before she even opened her mouth to speak I was distracted by a sharp light and looked out of the window. The sky was suddenly aglow - the most powerful sunset I had ever seen shining straight into my eyes - but the thing i remember vividly was the sound of a female opera singer - singing so loudly, I had to double take and look at my mums lips moving telling me that the dog was gone, but the intense sound was still there for about 20 seconds or so. Whether this was a coping mechanism to deal with the news I don't know, but given the circumstances, I remember the moment both fondly and with sadness. Odd.
My mum told me of when she was a teenager living in a Liverpool terrace. She was about 14, and making tea when her mum came in, looked past her and started having a panic attack staring at the wall behind my mum which joined the next door neighbours. My mum turned round to see what she was looking at and as quickly as she saw a large dark cross on the wall, it disappeared. My mum took my nan out of the house in hysterics and she refused to return until her husband came home. When he did, he didn't believe either of them, and knocked on the next door neighbours house to try and get to the bottom of it, no answer and as unlocked, when he entered the house, found the neighbour had passed away, slumped in his kitchen chair with his head resting on the adjoining wall.
Neither my nan nor my mum were/ are (respectively) in the slightest bit 'batty' nor attention seekers and it remains a mystery to this day exactly why they both saw what they did.
Other than that, I have woken up in the past with the feeling that something is wrong, and a book has then fallen off a shelf - but this has been explained as: you hear the noise first, then wake up believing that you woke up before the noise occurred apparently.
I'd love to see a ghost for the same reason as Ratter - just to know either way.
When I was 7 my mum sat me down to tell me that the family dog had been put to sleep - before she even opened her mouth to speak I was distracted by a sharp light and looked out of the window. The sky was suddenly aglow - the most powerful sunset I had ever seen shining straight into my eyes - but the thing i remember vividly was the sound of a female opera singer - singing so loudly, I had to double take and look at my mums lips moving telling me that the dog was gone, but the intense sound was still there for about 20 seconds or so. Whether this was a coping mechanism to deal with the news I don't know, but given the circumstances, I remember the moment both fondly and with sadness. Odd.
My mum told me of when she was a teenager living in a Liverpool terrace. She was about 14, and making tea when her mum came in, looked past her and started having a panic attack staring at the wall behind my mum which joined the next door neighbours. My mum turned round to see what she was looking at and as quickly as she saw a large dark cross on the wall, it disappeared. My mum took my nan out of the house in hysterics and she refused to return until her husband came home. When he did, he didn't believe either of them, and knocked on the next door neighbours house to try and get to the bottom of it, no answer and as unlocked, when he entered the house, found the neighbour had passed away, slumped in his kitchen chair with his head resting on the adjoining wall.
Neither my nan nor my mum were/ are (respectively) in the slightest bit 'batty' nor attention seekers and it remains a mystery to this day exactly why they both saw what they did.
Other than that, I have woken up in the past with the feeling that something is wrong, and a book has then fallen off a shelf - but this has been explained as: you hear the noise first, then wake up believing that you woke up before the noise occurred apparently.
I'd love to see a ghost for the same reason as Ratter - just to know either way.
The human brain plays tricks on itself all the time, you may think you see your surroundings but anything outside a very small central area of you vision is just made up by the brain from previously acquired information. That is why whenever you want to gain real information via your eyes you have to look directly at the object of interest. Try to tell the time from a clock without looking directly at it...Do I need to go further?
Perhaps the only experience I have that can be described as even remotely "weird" would be an occasion where, our parents being out, my brother and I settled down to watch a movie that we weren't allowed to (no, it wasn't porn in case you were wondering -- fairly sure it was "The Name of the Rose" and this is rated 18, we were under 18 at the time, my parents took film ratings seriously).
Anyway, later we were asked -- separately -- what we'd done that night. Watched a movie, I said. Which, I was asked. I glanced up at the 150-odd DVDs we have and picked the first to catch my eye. "Uhh, the Matrix". I can assure you that we didn't plan this, but it seems that my brother gave the same lie.
This is certainly lucky (perhaps swayed by other factors such as where the DVD was in relation to eyeline and so on) rather than weird, although the thought of a connection between brothers allowing us to give the same answer and cover for each other is an interesting alternative explanation.
Sadly, in my life so far, this is as weird as it gets (and with odds of only about 150-1 against at worst, it's not even all that weird either). A few other bizarre coincidences, but otherwise I've been confined to reading about other people's experiences. If having an experience can have a profound effect on your world view, I suppose a lack of them must do too.
Anyway, later we were asked -- separately -- what we'd done that night. Watched a movie, I said. Which, I was asked. I glanced up at the 150-odd DVDs we have and picked the first to catch my eye. "Uhh, the Matrix". I can assure you that we didn't plan this, but it seems that my brother gave the same lie.
This is certainly lucky (perhaps swayed by other factors such as where the DVD was in relation to eyeline and so on) rather than weird, although the thought of a connection between brothers allowing us to give the same answer and cover for each other is an interesting alternative explanation.
Sadly, in my life so far, this is as weird as it gets (and with odds of only about 150-1 against at worst, it's not even all that weird either). A few other bizarre coincidences, but otherwise I've been confined to reading about other people's experiences. If having an experience can have a profound effect on your world view, I suppose a lack of them must do too.
Pixie, I’m not prone to making wild claims - and actually I recall that on another thread you agreed with my suggestions a day or so back. However, in your eagerness to disparage what you've never experienced it appears you've lost the plot.
Jim, //It's about the very nature of personal experiences. They cannot be shared; and you can rarely prove or disprove any proffered explanation, by either side.//
Often experiences are shared, but proof after the event of something that cannot be replicated is clearly impossible. What a result for the diehard sceptics! However, to be perfectly honest from a personal point of view if people are genuinely interested I’ll tell them, if they’re not, that’s their choice. I'm not trying to prove anything here. Strangely enough though, although it doesn't, to me, seem terribly sensible - or indeed terribly scientific - sceptics are very quick to dismiss all accounts without examining the claims in further detail, and that I find very odd because the first thing I do is try to find the obvious solution. Not one of you has asked me a single question about those experiences I’ve related – but why would you? You already know the answers - allegedly.
karenkay, No, I am not a bit nuts.
Jim, //It's about the very nature of personal experiences. They cannot be shared; and you can rarely prove or disprove any proffered explanation, by either side.//
Often experiences are shared, but proof after the event of something that cannot be replicated is clearly impossible. What a result for the diehard sceptics! However, to be perfectly honest from a personal point of view if people are genuinely interested I’ll tell them, if they’re not, that’s their choice. I'm not trying to prove anything here. Strangely enough though, although it doesn't, to me, seem terribly sensible - or indeed terribly scientific - sceptics are very quick to dismiss all accounts without examining the claims in further detail, and that I find very odd because the first thing I do is try to find the obvious solution. Not one of you has asked me a single question about those experiences I’ve related – but why would you? You already know the answers - allegedly.
karenkay, No, I am not a bit nuts.
No need to get personal, Naomi. The reason i haven't asked further questions is because there are thousands of personal anecdotes to draw on- including my own. They are not reliable enough to be proof of anything, which is why we are still looking. Do you have an explanation for what you saw?
(I don't know what you're referring to that I've changed my mind on. But i:m open-minded, so it's possible).
(I don't know what you're referring to that I've changed my mind on. But i:m open-minded, so it's possible).
Pixie, I’m not getting personal - simply reminding you that you appear to have forgotten what you said a few days ago when you agreed that it might be possible for something of ‘life’ to remain after death. Yes, there are thousands of anecdotes, but I’m not sure how you consider yourself to be ‘open-minded’ when, without taking the time and trouble to examine them more thoroughly, you judge them unreliable and assume a blanket explanation for all. That strongly suggests that your mind is made up – although quite how illusion is responsible for occurrences that impact upon the real world you have yet to explain.
No, I don’t have an explanation for what I saw, or for what happened. If I did I wouldn’t be talking about it on a thread like this.
No, I don’t have an explanation for what I saw, or for what happened. If I did I wouldn’t be talking about it on a thread like this.
What an interesting debate! All based on personal opinion of course and all individual to everyone of us and no one can share what each of us experiences as in exact reproduction of an event. In every subject in the human field there will be believers and non believers in what the other person has said or explained. It comes from personal perspective and IMO ne'er the twain shall meet. We all have differing opinions and as one poster said, unless you experience something for yourself you can always doubt others who have been subjected to something 'different'. As for 'ghosts' as humans we have to label things and I can only guess that 'ghosts' cover that phenomenon that is something that can't be classified as everyone having the experience of. Who can say? Who can prove anything? Like the subject of god tis a belief some have and some don't, another subjective thing open to suggestion and sometimes ridicule. Personal opinion is all everything thing is and some agree and some don't.
I know you don't always like definitions, but hard for me to explain. The dictionary says
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1.the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
2.the existence of an individual human being or animal.
3.the period between the birth and death of a living thing, especially a human being.
4.vitality, vigour, or energy.
5.(in art) the depiction of a subject from a real model, rather than from an artist's imagination.//
Whatever it is, i don't equate it to energy, although it includes it. Electricity is energy, but isn't "life", so saying energy isn't destroyed doesn't imply believing in an afterlife.
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1.the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
2.the existence of an individual human being or animal.
3.the period between the birth and death of a living thing, especially a human being.
4.vitality, vigour, or energy.
5.(in art) the depiction of a subject from a real model, rather than from an artist's imagination.//
Whatever it is, i don't equate it to energy, although it includes it. Electricity is energy, but isn't "life", so saying energy isn't destroyed doesn't imply believing in an afterlife.
Pixie, a couple of days ago on another thread you agreed with me that since energy cannot be destroyed, it must remain after death. You cannot define life as I’ve asked you to, but instead present me with the dictionary definition discounting completely its reference to energy. Sorry, but the credibility of your argument in this discussion has become untenable.
jom, I didn’t intend to give that impression.. If people are genuinely interested I’m happy to talk about it. In answer to your question I don’t know if the door actually opened or not. We were never in the hall when it happened, but in adjoining rooms.
jom, I didn’t intend to give that impression.. If people are genuinely interested I’m happy to talk about it. In answer to your question I don’t know if the door actually opened or not. We were never in the hall when it happened, but in adjoining rooms.
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