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The reasoning of religious believers seems to go like this;
" I don't understand this. Lots of people I know don't understand this, therefore it must be a mystery. So, in order to come to terms with the mystery, we have to postulate a Superior Power."
No, you don't.
The answer is to read the science and go on reading the science until you understand the science. Wilful ignorance proves nothing except wilful ignorance.
" I don't understand this. Lots of people I know don't understand this, therefore it must be a mystery. So, in order to come to terms with the mystery, we have to postulate a Superior Power."
No, you don't.
The answer is to read the science and go on reading the science until you understand the science. Wilful ignorance proves nothing except wilful ignorance.
Why we are here. Naomi. I thought you had studied every religion going in depth and understand what each of them believe about the purpose of humanity.
From my catechism I remember the question - Why did God make me.
Answer: God made me to know him, to love him to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next.
From my catechism I remember the question - Why did God make me.
Answer: God made me to know him, to love him to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next.
Atalanta , " God said " Let there be light " and there was light "
There is your "big bang" , evidenced by the fact that the galaxies are still moving away from each other ( as you mentioned ) .
It also explains why the sun was made afterwards . First God created his chosen form of how energy was going to be transmitted across the universe - his chosen form of energy was electromagnetic radiation (light) which he created with the "big bang" . Afterwards , while he was in the process of creating the Earth , he created the Sun to be his specific supply of energy to the Earth .
I can't see how he could have done it the other way round i.e. create the sun first then electromagnetic radiation afterwards .
Also you don't want to put in the sun at too early a stage and start evaporating off all those waters that you are still in the process of creating . God has it all worked out !
There is your "big bang" , evidenced by the fact that the galaxies are still moving away from each other ( as you mentioned ) .
It also explains why the sun was made afterwards . First God created his chosen form of how energy was going to be transmitted across the universe - his chosen form of energy was electromagnetic radiation (light) which he created with the "big bang" . Afterwards , while he was in the process of creating the Earth , he created the Sun to be his specific supply of energy to the Earth .
I can't see how he could have done it the other way round i.e. create the sun first then electromagnetic radiation afterwards .
Also you don't want to put in the sun at too early a stage and start evaporating off all those waters that you are still in the process of creating . God has it all worked out !
Grasscarp, since you made the statement, I wanted your answer. //God made me to know him, to love him to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next.//
And there we are – all equal in the eyes of God – and yet believers of whatever flavour are convinced (well, at least they harbour a hope) that they, personally, are rather more equal than any of the others.
Common sense dictates that if this omniscient God’s purpose in making you – and everyone else I presume – was for the reasons you give, then that’s what we’d all be doing.
And there we are – all equal in the eyes of God – and yet believers of whatever flavour are convinced (well, at least they harbour a hope) that they, personally, are rather more equal than any of the others.
Common sense dictates that if this omniscient God’s purpose in making you – and everyone else I presume – was for the reasons you give, then that’s what we’d all be doing.
Here we go again Naomi you say
"And yet believers of whatever flavour are convinced (well, at least they harbour a hope) that they, personally, are rather more equal than any of the others."
Funny that you, a staunch atheist, know so much about the mentally and beliefs of each and every one of set of people you are not a part of.
The comment about being more equal than any of the others is meaningless.
And what hopes people have are not something you are a privvy to either.
But you know all this anyway and are only firing off taunting and derogatory snippets in the hope of another endless exchange which I will tire of long before you!
"And yet believers of whatever flavour are convinced (well, at least they harbour a hope) that they, personally, are rather more equal than any of the others."
Funny that you, a staunch atheist, know so much about the mentally and beliefs of each and every one of set of people you are not a part of.
The comment about being more equal than any of the others is meaningless.
And what hopes people have are not something you are a privvy to either.
But you know all this anyway and are only firing off taunting and derogatory snippets in the hope of another endless exchange which I will tire of long before you!
Existence is indeed pointless, except for procreation. The whole point of being a rose-bush is to make more rosebushes. The whole point of being an elephant is to make more elephants. The whole point of being a polio virus is to make more polio viruses. And humans have the purpose of making more humans.
That's it.
There is no need for a " spiritual side or a belief in God the Creator " Remember William of Ockam ? If there's no need to postulate something, don't postulate it. Science explains things far better than the existence of a creator with a purpose. Indeed, if there was a purpose/design, why didn't the creator get it right ? So many blunders, like deformed babies. You can go in for theodicy if you like, but all theodicy is no more than a sick joke.
That's it.
There is no need for a " spiritual side or a belief in God the Creator " Remember William of Ockam ? If there's no need to postulate something, don't postulate it. Science explains things far better than the existence of a creator with a purpose. Indeed, if there was a purpose/design, why didn't the creator get it right ? So many blunders, like deformed babies. You can go in for theodicy if you like, but all theodicy is no more than a sick joke.
//From my catechism I remember the question - Why did God make me.
Answer: God made me to know him, to love him to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next.//
The acquisition of knowledge does not begin with an insistence upon belief but rather ends with believing not based on certain knowledge. Love is not acquired by demand nor threat of eternal punishment but rather is the consequences of a mutual appreciation for each others perceived value. Seeking unmerited favour and eternal joy beyond the grave only devalues the limited time we are given in pursuit of a life worth living here and now on this Earth.
We are human by virtue of reason apart from which there can be no reason . . . for anything.
Answer: God made me to know him, to love him to serve him in this world and to be happy with him forever in the next.//
The acquisition of knowledge does not begin with an insistence upon belief but rather ends with believing not based on certain knowledge. Love is not acquired by demand nor threat of eternal punishment but rather is the consequences of a mutual appreciation for each others perceived value. Seeking unmerited favour and eternal joy beyond the grave only devalues the limited time we are given in pursuit of a life worth living here and now on this Earth.
We are human by virtue of reason apart from which there can be no reason . . . for anything.
The most recent episode of The Infinite Monkey Cage (BBC R4) was all about "Quantum Woo" but this latest publication wasn't alluded to. Perhaps it was too new.
The rest of the broadcast was about the irritating habits of those who adopt, then misuse, complex scientific terms which ordinary folk don't fully understand, in order to sell them dubious therapies for serious illnesses, cancer and the like.
There is also a bad habit, these days, of taking "scientific findings" to the newspapers *before* full peer review is complete. This gets the internet buzzing and people who hear the details second, third, or fourth hand can mistake it for fully peer-reviewed work.
I will read up the OP story later, to find out if this is the case.
The rest of the broadcast was about the irritating habits of those who adopt, then misuse, complex scientific terms which ordinary folk don't fully understand, in order to sell them dubious therapies for serious illnesses, cancer and the like.
There is also a bad habit, these days, of taking "scientific findings" to the newspapers *before* full peer review is complete. This gets the internet buzzing and people who hear the details second, third, or fourth hand can mistake it for fully peer-reviewed work.
I will read up the OP story later, to find out if this is the case.
@Old_Geezer
//To make more copies of self is also pointless.//
There are biochemical reasons why this would fail, if attempted (mutations would accumulate in successive cloning attempts) and there are reasons why personality might be unrepeatable even when the genetically controlled aspects of 'brain wiring' would otherwise be the same (life experiences differ across successive eras), so I am curious about what you are alluding to in your assertion.
(All one sentence: hopefully not too convoluted!)
//To make more copies of self is also pointless.//
There are biochemical reasons why this would fail, if attempted (mutations would accumulate in successive cloning attempts) and there are reasons why personality might be unrepeatable even when the genetically controlled aspects of 'brain wiring' would otherwise be the same (life experiences differ across successive eras), so I am curious about what you are alluding to in your assertion.
(All one sentence: hopefully not too convoluted!)
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